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Whenever you remind people of the fact that the armed conflict in Ukraine has been going on for 8 years, someone will say that "Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014" and that the existence of the Donbass Republics is a Russian aggression. Recently, military historian Yevgeny Norin got into such a discussion on Facebook and took a look at the facts (translation our own, reposted with his permission):
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0. Armed violence as such in Ukraine was triggered by the Euromaidan protests. This was an armed uprising and it led to the fall of the government. It is not immediately obvious that rebelling against the government is good in Kiev, but bad in Donetsk.
1. By the time the Russian army entered Donbass, the war was already in full swing - if we are talking specifically about the army, companies, and battalions made up of soldiers and officers on duty. By the time the Russian Federation started supplying weapons en masse, the war was, again, already going on. Yes, the moment when there were ill-supplied men at militia roadblocks was not very long, but it existed, and the Russian Federation brought weapons into an already ongoing conflict in which the opposing side was using firearms, including artillery and armored vehicles.
2. By the time of the first organized armed detachment, which can be called Russian (which is a stretch, by the way: Strelkov's personal status is vague, and 80% of the detachment were Ukrainian citizens, including Crimeans), the State Security Service building in Lugansk had already been captured & local armories had been opened, and in Kharkov there were already people killed in firefights. In addition, if we take for granted the thesis that Strelkov "started the war", a cartoonish picture emerges in which 50 people have taken Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Liman, Artemovsk, Druzhkovka, Konstantinovka and a number of smaller towns and cities, giving as many as 7-8 occupiers for each city. In reality, even the reason why Strelkov went to Slavyansk is known - a large local detachment was waiting for him there.
Local commanders dominated the whole first stage of the movement (the bright personality of Strelkov somehow overshadowed the less bright Zakharchenko, Khodakovsky, Mozgovoy, Bednov, Tsvyakh, Dremov, Plotnitsky, Bolotov, etc.) and locals until 2022 constituted 75-90% of the rebel groups at all phases of events, which can be easily proven by name lists of republic soldiers KIA. Even at the peak of Russian involvement until 2022, in August 2014, citizens of Russia and other countries were not more than a quarter of the dead, and soldiers and officers on duty were not more than a quarter of that quarter, the bulk of Russian citizens were just volunteers who went to fight at their own risk.
4. In those places where attempts at pro-Russian protests were suppressed, including violently, with murders, Russian direct influence was virtually undetectable. In Odessa, after the mass murder of pro-Russian activists, exactly one citizen of the Russian Federation was captured alive, who did not play any significant role there and was worthy of a separate mention only by the fact of citizenship; in Kharkov, after the defeat of the group trying to create the Kharkov People’s Republic, there were zero Russian citizens among the captured, as far as I know. Thus, the thesis that 2014 was an invasion by the Russian Federation is incorrect: both the key events, including the seizure of administrative buildings and the search for weapons, took place before the appearance of organized units from Russia, and the composition of the units opposing the government are mostly locals from start to finish. An invasion in which all the infantry are citizens of the invaded country is obviously nonsense: in Poznan or, I don't know, Székesfehérvár, Strelkov would have immediately become a General without an army.
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0. Armed violence as such in Ukraine was triggered by the Euromaidan protests. This was an armed uprising and it led to the fall of the government. It is not immediately obvious that rebelling against the government is good in Kiev, but bad in Donetsk.
1. By the time the Russian army entered Donbass, the war was already in full swing - if we are talking specifically about the army, companies, and battalions made up of soldiers and officers on duty. By the time the Russian Federation started supplying weapons en masse, the war was, again, already going on. Yes, the moment when there were ill-supplied men at militia roadblocks was not very long, but it existed, and the Russian Federation brought weapons into an already ongoing conflict in which the opposing side was using firearms, including artillery and armored vehicles.
2. By the time of the first organized armed detachment, which can be called Russian (which is a stretch, by the way: Strelkov's personal status is vague, and 80% of the detachment were Ukrainian citizens, including Crimeans), the State Security Service building in Lugansk had already been captured & local armories had been opened, and in Kharkov there were already people killed in firefights. In addition, if we take for granted the thesis that Strelkov "started the war", a cartoonish picture emerges in which 50 people have taken Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Liman, Artemovsk, Druzhkovka, Konstantinovka and a number of smaller towns and cities, giving as many as 7-8 occupiers for each city. In reality, even the reason why Strelkov went to Slavyansk is known - a large local detachment was waiting for him there.
Local commanders dominated the whole first stage of the movement (the bright personality of Strelkov somehow overshadowed the less bright Zakharchenko, Khodakovsky, Mozgovoy, Bednov, Tsvyakh, Dremov, Plotnitsky, Bolotov, etc.) and locals until 2022 constituted 75-90% of the rebel groups at all phases of events, which can be easily proven by name lists of republic soldiers KIA. Even at the peak of Russian involvement until 2022, in August 2014, citizens of Russia and other countries were not more than a quarter of the dead, and soldiers and officers on duty were not more than a quarter of that quarter, the bulk of Russian citizens were just volunteers who went to fight at their own risk.
4. In those places where attempts at pro-Russian protests were suppressed, including violently, with murders, Russian direct influence was virtually undetectable. In Odessa, after the mass murder of pro-Russian activists, exactly one citizen of the Russian Federation was captured alive, who did not play any significant role there and was worthy of a separate mention only by the fact of citizenship; in Kharkov, after the defeat of the group trying to create the Kharkov People’s Republic, there were zero Russian citizens among the captured, as far as I know. Thus, the thesis that 2014 was an invasion by the Russian Federation is incorrect: both the key events, including the seizure of administrative buildings and the search for weapons, took place before the appearance of organized units from Russia, and the composition of the units opposing the government are mostly locals from start to finish. An invasion in which all the infantry are citizens of the invaded country is obviously nonsense: in Poznan or, I don't know, Székesfehérvár, Strelkov would have immediately become a General without an army.
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🇺🇦 #UKRAINE 🇺🇦
#Odessa
BURNT ALIVE IN ODESSA
(Documentary 26 minutes long)
May 2, 2014 people of Ukrainian Odessa were murdered by extreme rightwing Pravi Sektor militants by being trapped in a building and set on fire.
All because they protested against new nationalist (neo-Nazi) government that came to power in Kiev
#Odessa
BURNT ALIVE IN ODESSA
(Documentary 26 minutes long)
May 2, 2014 people of Ukrainian Odessa were murdered by extreme rightwing Pravi Sektor militants by being trapped in a building and set on fire.
All because they protested against new nationalist (neo-Nazi) government that came to power in Kiev
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2019 interview with Oleksiy #Arestovych, adviser to the Head of the Office of the President of #Ukraine:
"Our price for joining #NATO is a big #war with #Russia"
An insane interview and one they'll never show you on Mainstream Media
So who wanted this war in the first place?
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"Our price for joining NATO is a big war with Russia. And if we do not join NATO, it's absorption by Russia within 10 to 12 years.
"Here's the fork we're facing now. And now let's make a choice...
"Of course a large scale war with Russia and joining NATO as a result of defeat of Russia — the coolest thing.
"...That's what is full scale war. And its probability is 99 percent. 2021-2022 are the most critical [dates].
https://mobile.twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1503626407309713411
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These guys actually seemed to believe they were going to defeat Russia
Utterly Insane
"Our price for joining #NATO is a big #war with #Russia"
An insane interview and one they'll never show you on Mainstream Media
So who wanted this war in the first place?
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"Our price for joining NATO is a big war with Russia. And if we do not join NATO, it's absorption by Russia within 10 to 12 years.
"Here's the fork we're facing now. And now let's make a choice...
"Of course a large scale war with Russia and joining NATO as a result of defeat of Russia — the coolest thing.
"...That's what is full scale war. And its probability is 99 percent. 2021-2022 are the most critical [dates].
https://mobile.twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1503626407309713411
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These guys actually seemed to believe they were going to defeat Russia
Utterly Insane
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— January 5, 1998,
As a Senator, Joe #Biden called for #bombing #civilian targets in #Belgrade, #Serbia/#Yugoslavia
As a Senator, Joe #Biden called for #bombing #civilian targets in #Belgrade, #Serbia/#Yugoslavia
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A relative of one of the #mercenaries who went to #Ukraine complains about the attitude of the Ukrainians towards them: when he and his accomplices in horror tried to flee to #Poland after a powerful blow by the Russian army on their base, they tried to return them to the front by force “against their will” at the border.
A relative of one of the #mercenaries who went to #Ukraine complains about the attitude of the Ukrainians towards them: when he and his accomplices in horror tried to flee to #Poland after a powerful blow by the Russian army on their base, they tried to return them to the front by force “against their will” at the border.
Forwarded from Russian MFA 🇷🇺
#Opinion by Maria #Zakharova
A deep dive into the genesis of the Nazi comeback in Ukraine & how the West nurtured Nazi collaborators & their descendants.
💬 May 9, 1945. Berlin has surrendered, and the Nazi Reich has been condemned by the peoples liberated by Soviet soldiers and allied nations. Soon, the Nuremberg Trials will begin, condemning Nazism as a criminal and misanthropic ideology. Collaborators and Nazi accomplices in Ukraine are facing a difficult choice: should they continue fighting the Soviet regime on the liberated territory, or escape to the West?
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Ukrainian Nazis that fled from fair trial 75 years ago have returned to the place they were expelled from by Soviet soldiers via their children and with direct support from the West.
👉 https://vk.cc/cbW1Jp
A deep dive into the genesis of the Nazi comeback in Ukraine & how the West nurtured Nazi collaborators & their descendants.
💬 May 9, 1945. Berlin has surrendered, and the Nazi Reich has been condemned by the peoples liberated by Soviet soldiers and allied nations. Soon, the Nuremberg Trials will begin, condemning Nazism as a criminal and misanthropic ideology. Collaborators and Nazi accomplices in Ukraine are facing a difficult choice: should they continue fighting the Soviet regime on the liberated territory, or escape to the West?
<...>
Ukrainian Nazis that fled from fair trial 75 years ago have returned to the place they were expelled from by Soviet soldiers via their children and with direct support from the West.
👉 https://vk.cc/cbW1Jp
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President Biden calls Vladimir Putin a “murderous dictator, a pure thug” at St Patrick’s Day address
Biden lashed out at the Russian president during a Thursday St Patrick’s Day luncheon on Capitol Hill calling him a “murderous dictator, a pure thug.”
The US president also labelled Putin a “war criminal” this week in a passing response to a question from the press.
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However on January 5, 1998, as a Senator, Joe #Biden was calling for #bombing #civilian targets in #Belgrade, #Serbia/#Yugoslavia.
And there were civilian targets bombed in Serbia
President Biden calls Vladimir Putin a “murderous dictator, a pure thug” at St Patrick’s Day address
Biden lashed out at the Russian president during a Thursday St Patrick’s Day luncheon on Capitol Hill calling him a “murderous dictator, a pure thug.”
The US president also labelled Putin a “war criminal” this week in a passing response to a question from the press.
Video 2
However on January 5, 1998, as a Senator, Joe #Biden was calling for #bombing #civilian targets in #Belgrade, #Serbia/#Yugoslavia.
And there were civilian targets bombed in Serbia
Forwarded from Dr. Simon
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"You have to realize that in many countries, we wouldn't even know that this virus existed if we didn't test for it."
The inventor of the Covid PCR-test, Christian Drosten, made this remarkable statement. Further achievements that he has accomplished are:
👉🏻 Creating that specific PCR test before the outbreak of the "pandemic"
👉🏻 Getting his PCR paper through peer review within 24h (https://bit.ly/3I9IG4M)
👉🏻 Denying viral seasonality three years in a row (https://news.1rj.ru/str/goddek/1295)
👉🏻 Making contradictory statements about masks (https://news.1rj.ru/str/goddek/563)
👉🏻 Predicted piles of corpses on African streets (https://bit.ly/3ictjy4)
👉🏻 Calling renowned dissidents "pseudoscientists" (https://bit.ly/36ngzle)
👉🏻 Getting funds from the Gates Foundation and having his professorship sponsored from Nazi-money (Quandt Family)
Good job, Christian!
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The inventor of the Covid PCR-test, Christian Drosten, made this remarkable statement. Further achievements that he has accomplished are:
👉🏻 Creating that specific PCR test before the outbreak of the "pandemic"
👉🏻 Getting his PCR paper through peer review within 24h (https://bit.ly/3I9IG4M)
👉🏻 Denying viral seasonality three years in a row (https://news.1rj.ru/str/goddek/1295)
👉🏻 Making contradictory statements about masks (https://news.1rj.ru/str/goddek/563)
👉🏻 Predicted piles of corpses on African streets (https://bit.ly/3ictjy4)
👉🏻 Calling renowned dissidents "pseudoscientists" (https://bit.ly/36ngzle)
👉🏻 Getting funds from the Gates Foundation and having his professorship sponsored from Nazi-money (Quandt Family)
Good job, Christian!
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Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks to the world and warns the peoples of the threat that looms.
🇷🇺 #Russia 🇷🇺
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey #Lavrov said that any #cargo that will carry weapons to #Ukraine will become a “legitimate target”.
Mar 18, 2022
Speaking to Russia Today (RT) television, Lavrov said:
“We have made it very clear that all cargoes that will enter Ukrainian territory and that we think are carrying weapons will be legitimate targets.
This is very understandable, as we are conducting an operation that aims to eliminate all threats against the United States,” .
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey #Lavrov said that any #cargo that will carry weapons to #Ukraine will become a “legitimate target”.
Mar 18, 2022
Speaking to Russia Today (RT) television, Lavrov said:
“We have made it very clear that all cargoes that will enter Ukrainian territory and that we think are carrying weapons will be legitimate targets.
This is very understandable, as we are conducting an operation that aims to eliminate all threats against the United States,” .
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🏴☠️ #Azov #NeoNazi militants are actually proud of the fact that they have managed to surround themselves with civilian #hostages/#humanshields
Here they film themselves giving nightmares to hostage civilians in #Dnepropetrovsk.
Here they film themselves giving nightmares to hostage civilians in #Dnepropetrovsk.
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Polish liberals are enraged at Konfederacja for not wanting to give privledges to Ukranians.
Liberals have the naive idea that if Polish society bends over backwards for the Ukrainians then they will love us forever and multicultural conflicts will be prevented. It's liberal delusion to think being extra super nice now prevents problems of multiculturalism in future.
In fact Ukrainians will think of us as weak and this will lead to less integration. The Ukrainians will have legitimate complaints such as their children born in Poland not being eligible for Polish citizenship.
Liberals think we shouldn't discuss things like Ukranians wanting to move from Hungary to Poland for the more generous states benefits. We should just be super nice and people will love us. Has this theory worked for the native population in any western country?
Liberals dismiss nationalist concerns as "russian". We just dispell their liberal fantasies. Multicultural conflict is inevitable, not a product of "Russian services"
Liberals have the naive idea that if Polish society bends over backwards for the Ukrainians then they will love us forever and multicultural conflicts will be prevented. It's liberal delusion to think being extra super nice now prevents problems of multiculturalism in future.
In fact Ukrainians will think of us as weak and this will lead to less integration. The Ukrainians will have legitimate complaints such as their children born in Poland not being eligible for Polish citizenship.
Liberals think we shouldn't discuss things like Ukranians wanting to move from Hungary to Poland for the more generous states benefits. We should just be super nice and people will love us. Has this theory worked for the native population in any western country?
Liberals dismiss nationalist concerns as "russian". We just dispell their liberal fantasies. Multicultural conflict is inevitable, not a product of "Russian services"
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Forwarded from Daniel
I'm very much against what Russia is doing, but all this cancellation stuff is disgusting. It also isn't helping the cause. Just hardening Russians against the West. Isn't it funny how the supposedly most inclusive and diverse people in the West, are also trying to literally delete an entire culture and nationality from planet Earth? Since when do we persecute everyone in a country for the actions of their leadership? Really awful behaviour that we're witnessing from the Western leftists, but that shouldn't surprise me after all that's been going on over the last few years....