Do you live in an area that doesn’t permit net metering? Or maybe your power company wont pay you par for power you export and import. Here is how you get solar without a permitting process. When the grid is up the inverter will supply your critical loads and back feed your main panel. There’s a power meter between your panel and your Meterbase that tells the inverter exactl how much power to make to not sell power to the grid. When the grid is down the inverter will only power your critical loads.
Schneider 6848 inverter shown here but same function is also in solark 12k and 15k.
Schneider 6848 inverter shown here but same function is also in solark 12k and 15k.
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If you want to run your house off a 12kw inverter, it might be easier to just add a 200amp load center before your existing panel box. In my house for example, I found it easier to move the heatpump heat strips and the EV car chargers to a new 200ap load center. When you do this you will also want to be able to bypass the inverters for times when you need to service them. Use a generator interlock to "side feed" the inverters in.
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Excellent story... https://youtu.be/Nfm30988i0U
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How off-grid prepper powers his home & greenhouse
Marty and Leslie live off-grid in the wilds of the US state of Montana. They use Victron Energy equipment to power their house as well as a 3-phase system for a lumber (timber) equipment business. Marty is prepared for anything the wilds of this state can…
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Regarding the last few messages here. I'm advising a friend this week how to retrofit his house to null out his electric bill when the grid is up and to allow only certain loads to run off the batteries during grid down.
The idea here is that there are current sense devices on the main 200amp feed into his house and his inverter can backfeed the main panel just enough to not run his meter backwards. If his house needsmore power than the inverter can supply, that excess will come from the grid (ie start surges on heat pump). When the grid goes down, the inverter will separate from the upstream load center and then simply power the rest of the loads in the house.
His electric bill will be ONLY what his solar and batteries cannot provide. He will never sell power to the electric company.
Why don't we want to sell power? because many electric companies are now buying /selling at wholesale / retail. Or worse, in California they buy at wholesale and sell your own power back to you at peak rate retail no matter when you use it. So this is how the market adapts... we run our house off battery and solar and keep the grid around as if it was an emergency generator.
The idea here is that there are current sense devices on the main 200amp feed into his house and his inverter can backfeed the main panel just enough to not run his meter backwards. If his house needsmore power than the inverter can supply, that excess will come from the grid (ie start surges on heat pump). When the grid goes down, the inverter will separate from the upstream load center and then simply power the rest of the loads in the house.
His electric bill will be ONLY what his solar and batteries cannot provide. He will never sell power to the electric company.
Why don't we want to sell power? because many electric companies are now buying /selling at wholesale / retail. Or worse, in California they buy at wholesale and sell your own power back to you at peak rate retail no matter when you use it. So this is how the market adapts... we run our house off battery and solar and keep the grid around as if it was an emergency generator.
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Why generator interlocks? Because 200amp transfer switches a stupid expensive. Here’s one I made with a router a few years ago.
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I just spoke with a dear friend on the phone. I've known this guy for about 25 years. He's now approaching 80. He's always been a sort of a calming guidestone very humble and very religious. Our discussion (fellowship) today was about the chaos in the methodist church. For those who don't know the bishops have decided to endorse gay marriage and are instructing the priests to consummate those marriages. Well 57% of this man's church voted to part with the methodists, but that wasn't enough for the church to accept it. Long story short we discussed how bishops from big cities have "infiltrated" and do not represent the views of most of the parishioners. His own priest is a female and she's been in this church for nearly 20 years and swayed a large portion of the congregation to vote to not exit. He sees 57% of the congregation leaving and they represent nearly 90% of the tithing. He doesn't want to leave because he doesn't want the employees of the church to lose their jobs. We talked about the concept of going along or standing your ground for what you know is right. Although I respect him greatly, this is where we disagree. Dare I say he has become a lukewarm Christian. He'd rather have a church that enables and encourages gays than no church at all. I reminded him that Jesus drove the vendors out of the church. Far too often Christians go along to get along... they think of Christ as the lamb. "Let God judge" they say. Gosh, that sure makes things easy for you! You can sit in the front pew and look pious and not have to help anyone. Next thing you know it's been 20 years and the gays are in your church causing 57% of the congregation to up and leave.
Look at the gay agenda in the schools. It started with parents being arrested for not shutting up about curriculum questions. Then the school boards gave 3 minutes for you to speak and arrested you. Of course the arrest was false and charges dropped but they got you to STFU. Recently I saw a meeting where a state legislator started to speak and instructed them to not start the 3 minute clock because limiting free speech to elected officials would be unconstitutional. They simply closed the meeting. So the theme here is "consent". Do you consent to the material these people want to give to your children? More and more people opt out and home school their kids. The schools are funded per pupil day and pulling your kids will cause them to lose funding. It's a two-fer if there ever was one.
It occurred to me there is a direct parallel to government. He said we have a duty to obey the lawful government. Key word: Lawful. But what of the consent of the governed? I'm not talking about a thief saying he doesn't recognize a cop or a judge. I'm talking about an entire population who consents voluntarily to a system they agree with. What happens when your government endorses sin? What when your government tries to kill large swaths of its own citizens? Do you consent to that? Sit on your hands and watch passively as it circles the drain. So how do you opt out? I can't believe I'm saying this.... But just stop working for fiat money. Develop a community. It will mean not having modern conveniences.... But it also means raising your children. It means not paying taxes to a government that spites you.
So do you consent to your church having drag shows? Do you consent to your schools teaching pornographic material? Do you consent to watering the tree of government that will hang you one day? Opt out.
Look at the gay agenda in the schools. It started with parents being arrested for not shutting up about curriculum questions. Then the school boards gave 3 minutes for you to speak and arrested you. Of course the arrest was false and charges dropped but they got you to STFU. Recently I saw a meeting where a state legislator started to speak and instructed them to not start the 3 minute clock because limiting free speech to elected officials would be unconstitutional. They simply closed the meeting. So the theme here is "consent". Do you consent to the material these people want to give to your children? More and more people opt out and home school their kids. The schools are funded per pupil day and pulling your kids will cause them to lose funding. It's a two-fer if there ever was one.
It occurred to me there is a direct parallel to government. He said we have a duty to obey the lawful government. Key word: Lawful. But what of the consent of the governed? I'm not talking about a thief saying he doesn't recognize a cop or a judge. I'm talking about an entire population who consents voluntarily to a system they agree with. What happens when your government endorses sin? What when your government tries to kill large swaths of its own citizens? Do you consent to that? Sit on your hands and watch passively as it circles the drain. So how do you opt out? I can't believe I'm saying this.... But just stop working for fiat money. Develop a community. It will mean not having modern conveniences.... But it also means raising your children. It means not paying taxes to a government that spites you.
So do you consent to your church having drag shows? Do you consent to your schools teaching pornographic material? Do you consent to watering the tree of government that will hang you one day? Opt out.
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Is it time to check out of the banks? Play along for a moment. If you pull cash out of the bank and stuff it in your mattress what will you have? a pile of paper. It has no intrinsic value. Just like a vaxinated person with two boosters can be categorized as unvaxed when the CDC decides you need a third. Same with banking.... you dollar might buy an item today, but tomorow when the fed prints more money, your dollar won't quite be enough to buy that item. When you store value in a fiat note, you consent to the fluxuation that someone you can't control causes. And they never cause the value to increase... the value always decreases. So if you have $100 under your bed, tomorrow it might only buy $90 or $80 of stuff.
Check out of the banks and buy silver or gold. Why silver? Because gold is too expensive for day to day trade. "Hey buddy do you have change for a $2000 bill?" Silver is $25 an ounce give or take. A good measure for trade in the future. If you think silver is too expensive today, wait till you try to buy it in a month. Wait til you can't get your fiat notes out of the bank to buy it.
Anyone remember when the price of bullets skyrocketed... you wouldn't buy because they were so damn expensive but then you finally came around and realized that 223 is never going to be 30c again...9mm is never going to be 19c again... $13 bricks of 22lr are not available any more. Same for silver prices today... you'll look back one day and wish you had'a.
Check out of the banks and buy silver or gold. Why silver? Because gold is too expensive for day to day trade. "Hey buddy do you have change for a $2000 bill?" Silver is $25 an ounce give or take. A good measure for trade in the future. If you think silver is too expensive today, wait till you try to buy it in a month. Wait til you can't get your fiat notes out of the bank to buy it.
Anyone remember when the price of bullets skyrocketed... you wouldn't buy because they were so damn expensive but then you finally came around and realized that 223 is never going to be 30c again...9mm is never going to be 19c again... $13 bricks of 22lr are not available any more. Same for silver prices today... you'll look back one day and wish you had'a.
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Ladies it’s time to start thinking about if the guy you’re dating has post apocalyptic warlord potential
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Helped a neighbor today putting up a 14 panel ground mount.
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Solar success stories. A guy who lives about 45 minutes north of me was told it would cost about $80k to run power lines to his remote property. His wife said $80k for the privilege of paying an electric bill the rest of our life? They installed about 12kw of panels, about 15kwh of batteries and a solark. They have a backup generator that runs every night for an hour or so in the winter. They've recently increased. their battery size to 45kwh and I think the generator doesn't run but only when it's been cloudy for a day or three. Previously, their batteries would be topped off two hours after sunup. But now it takes a little longer and they last longer into the winter.
I just watched a video on youtube about a family that converted a barn into a house and run it off solar because the grid was too expense to connect. They also have a generator that runs for about 9% of their power. They are in england.
About 2 years after we installed solar here, I donwloaded data from my egauge power meter for the year. I created a spreadsheet to calculate minute by minute the amount of power that was available and used. I used excel to calculate find how often various size batteries would have gone dead and needed generator backup. At 28kwh, I would have run the generator three days a year. Our highest power usage was >100kwh when we had snow. If it had a 100kwh battery we whould have never run the generator. Since that time we've changed the heat pump with electric strip heaters for a minisplit and I guestimate 70kwh would be the point we'd never need to run the generator. I now have 75kwh of batteries.
Speaking of generators, I recently bought the 5kwh "chargeverter" from sig solar. I have a MEP802a 5kw diesel military generator that's perfectly matched for this DC charger. Now I don't have to fiddle with AC coupling the generator, if the batteries are low, the inverters can fire up the generator to get me thru til morning. BUt that is very likely not needed.
I just watched a video on youtube about a family that converted a barn into a house and run it off solar because the grid was too expense to connect. They also have a generator that runs for about 9% of their power. They are in england.
About 2 years after we installed solar here, I donwloaded data from my egauge power meter for the year. I created a spreadsheet to calculate minute by minute the amount of power that was available and used. I used excel to calculate find how often various size batteries would have gone dead and needed generator backup. At 28kwh, I would have run the generator three days a year. Our highest power usage was >100kwh when we had snow. If it had a 100kwh battery we whould have never run the generator. Since that time we've changed the heat pump with electric strip heaters for a minisplit and I guestimate 70kwh would be the point we'd never need to run the generator. I now have 75kwh of batteries.
Speaking of generators, I recently bought the 5kwh "chargeverter" from sig solar. I have a MEP802a 5kw diesel military generator that's perfectly matched for this DC charger. Now I don't have to fiddle with AC coupling the generator, if the batteries are low, the inverters can fire up the generator to get me thru til morning. BUt that is very likely not needed.
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Just a few going's on.... my neighbor and I have been working on a arduino processor that will read the victron smart shunt's serial data and translate it to the canbus signal that our SMA sunny islands need. If the smart shunt is not available the device will auto switch to a manually controlled State of Charge reading after a few seconds. This gives us a way to make sure that no matter what this inverter will think there's a battery connected to it and run. He's also working on a way to stream the data from the smart shunt and inverter to an influx database for trending and other home control things. One such project is to control the charging of an electric car so that it uses only the excess power from solar that's not being used by the house. All of this runs on arduino mega and a raspberry pi.
Really cool stuff.
Really cool stuff.
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