Steve Kirsch & co. wrote this article about me and others:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-you-think-the-sars-cov-2-virus/comments
Here was my response 😊:
“Hey, Steve.
It’s gratifying to know that you’re determined to ascertain whether virology is based on actual science or a set of false beliefs. Partly as a result of your efforts, the public is engaged with this issue as never before. The evidence can be found in the comments sections of your posts about the viral challenge.
Your readers are displaying an increasingly clear and accurate view of the issues. The process we are engaged in should reflect the seriousness of the issue. The accuracy of virology is a scientific question, not something that can or should be settled with "bets" or "retired judges" or repeated mudslinging, as has been the case.
Recently, the science advisors on your team sent us an article and produced a video that they claim show "irrefutable" proof that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists. Tomorrow, on Dr. Cowan's weekly webinar (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxdc2o0Q_XZIPwo07XCrNg), Dr. Cowan, Mike Donio, Mike Stone and Dr. Kaufman will provide clear arguments and evidence that this paper and video provide no such evidence. In fact, the paper re-states the same arguments we have already disproven. Dr. Lee and Dr. Fleming have offered to publicly comment on the paper written by Mark Bailey about the Lee journal pre-print (https://drsambailey.com/warnings-signs-you-have-been-tricked-by-virologists-again). We look forward to hearing their responses to this paper, as well as to tomorrow's video.
This type of clear, accurate discussion of the scientific evidence is how these issues are meant to be settled. The public is engaged, the process is working. We look forward to our continued collaboration.
All the best,
Alec”
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-you-think-the-sars-cov-2-virus/comments
Here was my response 😊:
“Hey, Steve.
It’s gratifying to know that you’re determined to ascertain whether virology is based on actual science or a set of false beliefs. Partly as a result of your efforts, the public is engaged with this issue as never before. The evidence can be found in the comments sections of your posts about the viral challenge.
Your readers are displaying an increasingly clear and accurate view of the issues. The process we are engaged in should reflect the seriousness of the issue. The accuracy of virology is a scientific question, not something that can or should be settled with "bets" or "retired judges" or repeated mudslinging, as has been the case.
Recently, the science advisors on your team sent us an article and produced a video that they claim show "irrefutable" proof that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists. Tomorrow, on Dr. Cowan's weekly webinar (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxdc2o0Q_XZIPwo07XCrNg), Dr. Cowan, Mike Donio, Mike Stone and Dr. Kaufman will provide clear arguments and evidence that this paper and video provide no such evidence. In fact, the paper re-states the same arguments we have already disproven. Dr. Lee and Dr. Fleming have offered to publicly comment on the paper written by Mark Bailey about the Lee journal pre-print (https://drsambailey.com/warnings-signs-you-have-been-tricked-by-virologists-again). We look forward to hearing their responses to this paper, as well as to tomorrow's video.
This type of clear, accurate discussion of the scientific evidence is how these issues are meant to be settled. The public is engaged, the process is working. We look forward to our continued collaboration.
All the best,
Alec”
Kirschsubstack
I bet $1M the virus exists. Why is everyone afraid to bet me?
I'm betting $1M the virus exists. The process is short, the result is decided by a panel of neutral scientists, and all negotiations are between the attorneys. You can accept any of over a dozen bets.
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I sincerely do NOT mind vegans. A lot of my best friends are vegan. They respect my choices and I respect theirs.
What I do mind is logical fallacies, misleading claims, and a lack of knowledge regarding what veganism contributes to/ requires with the production of organic fruits and veggies (again, unless you’re growing your own food and eating from that exclusively).
What I do mind is logical fallacies, misleading claims, and a lack of knowledge regarding what veganism contributes to/ requires with the production of organic fruits and veggies (again, unless you’re growing your own food and eating from that exclusively).
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Here’s a text from my friend who is a vegetarian and runs a large-scale organic fruits and veggies farm.
So let’s think about this— I eat nose to tail. I eat organs, brains, use the bones, eat all the cuts of meat, bought directly from a farmer. That ONE animal lasts me 3-4 months. So 1 life taken for my sustenance.
Do you buy your produce from grocery stores? Do you buy it directly from farmers? If you answer “yes” to either of those, you’re contributing to the taking of life AS WELL, and LIKELY more life being taken. It is reality (a reality many of those who attack me for my choice to eat meat don’t want to discuss).
Is a mouse’s life, a mole’s life, a fox’s life, a groundhog’s life less important than a cow’s? No? Then I don’t want to hear anything about veganism preserving life.
Growing food, eating food, etc. requires life and death. That is reality. It’s not all pretty. It is not all rainbows and butterflies.
So let’s think about this— I eat nose to tail. I eat organs, brains, use the bones, eat all the cuts of meat, bought directly from a farmer. That ONE animal lasts me 3-4 months. So 1 life taken for my sustenance.
Do you buy your produce from grocery stores? Do you buy it directly from farmers? If you answer “yes” to either of those, you’re contributing to the taking of life AS WELL, and LIKELY more life being taken. It is reality (a reality many of those who attack me for my choice to eat meat don’t want to discuss).
Is a mouse’s life, a mole’s life, a fox’s life, a groundhog’s life less important than a cow’s? No? Then I don’t want to hear anything about veganism preserving life.
Growing food, eating food, etc. requires life and death. That is reality. It’s not all pretty. It is not all rainbows and butterflies.
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Christine here. The voice chat I’m hosting is starting in 5min. You can click on the banner at the top of the channel to join. For those who haven’t attended one before they’re an informal chance to say hi, connect, acknowledge where we’re at and explore whatever topics or themes feels most relevant for us today.
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Thank you everyone who joined in for the voice chat today. I appreciate the various topics and themes we get to explore and I’m grateful for everything you all bring to the table. So many incredible people are on this channel and it’s wonderful to hear your voices.
I’ll be back next week hosting another voice chat, Tuesday August 2nd at 3pm Pacific, 5pm Central, 6pm Eastern or whatever time that converts to where you live. You’re welcome to join in for that.
~Christine
I’ll be back next week hosting another voice chat, Tuesday August 2nd at 3pm Pacific, 5pm Central, 6pm Eastern or whatever time that converts to where you live. You’re welcome to join in for that.
~Christine
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Forwarded from Dr. Tom Cowan Channel
Please join me for a livestream tomorrow, July 27th at 4 PM EST. Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Mike Donio, and Mike Stone will be joining me to discuss the Virus Challenge, as well as a paper by Sin Hang Lee - linked below. SubscribeStar member can still join via Zoom. Alternatively, you can watch live on YouTube or on my website. The recording will be posted on all social platforms following the event.
Read the paper here: https://www.preprints.org/manunoscript/202206.0192/v1
Learn more about the Virus Challenge and watch: http://www.theviruschallenge.com/
Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxdc2o0Q_XZIPwo07XCrNg
Read the paper here: https://www.preprints.org/manunoscript/202206.0192/v1
Learn more about the Virus Challenge and watch: http://www.theviruschallenge.com/
Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxdc2o0Q_XZIPwo07XCrNg
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Media is too big
VIEW IN TELEGRAM
432 Hz Walnut Bass Flute
Still have no clue what I’m doing. Lol. This is fun though. Love learning new things. 🎵
Still have no clue what I’m doing. Lol. This is fun though. Love learning new things. 🎵
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Forwarded from Dr. Tom Cowan Channel
Join me live with Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Mike Donio, and Mike Stone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl5A3r8j4Mo
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Forwarded from ViroLIEgy
The Elephant and The Spike
From what I’ve been told, Jeremy Hammond is for health freedom and he has a large following. Thus, it is very important that he gets his facts straight so as to not mislead people down a side road right back into the pharmaceutically-endorsed germ theory lie. While I do not know much about him, I have been told that, while he has consistently and rightfully called out the dangers of the vaccines, Mr. Hammond very much pushes the myth that “viruses” exist. That much is clear from his article insinuating that such a thing as a spike protein exists and is by itself pathogenic. Now, it is not my intent to attack Mr. Hammond. Rather, this is an attempt to set the record straight based on the evidence available. Hopefully, this will also stand as a good lesson in always vetting any study before submitting it as evidence to bolster your own argument.
https://viroliegy.com/2022/07/20/the-elephant-and-the-spike/
From what I’ve been told, Jeremy Hammond is for health freedom and he has a large following. Thus, it is very important that he gets his facts straight so as to not mislead people down a side road right back into the pharmaceutically-endorsed germ theory lie. While I do not know much about him, I have been told that, while he has consistently and rightfully called out the dangers of the vaccines, Mr. Hammond very much pushes the myth that “viruses” exist. That much is clear from his article insinuating that such a thing as a spike protein exists and is by itself pathogenic. Now, it is not my intent to attack Mr. Hammond. Rather, this is an attempt to set the record straight based on the evidence available. Hopefully, this will also stand as a good lesson in always vetting any study before submitting it as evidence to bolster your own argument.
https://viroliegy.com/2022/07/20/the-elephant-and-the-spike/
ViroLIEgy
The Elephant and The Spike
“There is a debate tactic known as ‘elephant hurling’. This occurs when the critic throws summary arguments about complex issues to give the impression of weighty evidence, but with an unstat…
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Forwarded from The Way Forward (Alec Zeck)
TERRAIN RESOURCES
(Frequently updated)
BOOKS:
-Virus Mania by Torsten Englebrecht, Dr. Claus Köhnlein, Dr. Sam Bailey
-The Contagion Myth by Dr. Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon-Morell
-Breaking the Spell by Dr. Tom Cowan
-What Really Makes You Ill? By Dawn Lester and David Parker
-The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg
-Goodbye Germ Theory by Dr William P Trebing
-Bechamp vs. Pasteur by Ethel D Hume
-Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries MD and Roman Bystrianyk
VIDEOS:
-The End of Germ Theory by Spacebusters
-Science, Pseudoscience, and the Germ Theory of Disease
-Monkeypox Mania: Debunking the Monkeybusiness of Virology
-Addressing the Claims of Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Robert Malone, and Dr. Peter McCullough
-HF4H: Virology’s Unproven Assumptions by Alec Zeck, Jordan Grant MD, Jacob Diaz, John Blaid, & Mike Donio
-The Final Refutation of Virology by Kate Sugak
-What Do You Mean “Viruses Don’t Exist”? by Alec Zeck
-Dr. Kaufman responds to Jeremy Hammond: Is Virus Isolation Real?
-HF4H: What Really Makes You Ill? Part 1 w/ Dawn Lester & David Parker
-HF4H: What Really Makes You Ill? Part 2 w/ Dawn Lester & David Parker
-HF4H: Diving Deep on Terrain Theory with Dr. Tom Cowan and Dr. Andy Kaufman
-Stefan Lanka control experiment phase 1
-Stefan Lanka control experiment phase 2
-Dr. Andrew Kaufman on The Way Forward: Germs, Disease, and the Science
-Why the “Virus” Pandemic is a Farce featuring Dr. Cowan and Dr. Kaufman
-HF4H: Dr. Tom Cowan, author of the Contagion Myth
-HF4H: Dr. Robert O Young
-HF4H: Veda Austin (Context: We are made of structured water, and Veda's work shows that water not only holds memory, but it also reflects our environment, emotion, thoughts, and feelings back to us and communicates with us!)
-HF4H: Veda Austin part 2
-Dr. Kaufman refutes Coronavirus Existence
-Spacebusters: Virology Fraud in 19 Minutes
-Amandha Vollmer breaks down virus Myth
-Spacebusters: Coronavirus Debunked
DOCUMENTARIES:
-TERRAIN
-THE VIRAL DELUSION
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS BY CHRISTINE MASSEY:
-Over 190 FOI requests show there IS NO VIRUS
PAGES & ACCOUNTS:
-Dr. Sam Bailey's Youtube Channel
-Alfa Vedic's "Germ Theory is Bunk”
-Dawn Lester & David Parker's blog, What Really Makes You Ill?
-ViroLIEgy: A resource covering all the lies of virology
-Undercover Virologist on Instagram
-Amandha Vollmer's telegram
-Humanely by Daniel Roytas
-Mike Donio's substack
-Jon Rappoport’s No More Fake News
-Jerm Warfare
-Alec Zeck's Substack
ARTICLES:
-The Virus Misconception Part 1 by Stefan Lanka
-The Virus Misconception Part 2 by Stefan Lanka
-The Virus Misconception Part 3 by Stefan Lanka
-The reason behind me knowing there is no existence of viruses by John Blaid
-There is No Proof of SARS-CoV-2 by Alec Zeck
-Rational Debate can be Respectful if we Stick to the Facts by Mike Donio
(Frequently updated)
BOOKS:
-Virus Mania by Torsten Englebrecht, Dr. Claus Köhnlein, Dr. Sam Bailey
-The Contagion Myth by Dr. Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon-Morell
-Breaking the Spell by Dr. Tom Cowan
-What Really Makes You Ill? By Dawn Lester and David Parker
-The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg
-Goodbye Germ Theory by Dr William P Trebing
-Bechamp vs. Pasteur by Ethel D Hume
-Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries MD and Roman Bystrianyk
VIDEOS:
-The End of Germ Theory by Spacebusters
-Science, Pseudoscience, and the Germ Theory of Disease
-Monkeypox Mania: Debunking the Monkeybusiness of Virology
-Addressing the Claims of Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Robert Malone, and Dr. Peter McCullough
-HF4H: Virology’s Unproven Assumptions by Alec Zeck, Jordan Grant MD, Jacob Diaz, John Blaid, & Mike Donio
-The Final Refutation of Virology by Kate Sugak
-What Do You Mean “Viruses Don’t Exist”? by Alec Zeck
-Dr. Kaufman responds to Jeremy Hammond: Is Virus Isolation Real?
-HF4H: What Really Makes You Ill? Part 1 w/ Dawn Lester & David Parker
-HF4H: What Really Makes You Ill? Part 2 w/ Dawn Lester & David Parker
-HF4H: Diving Deep on Terrain Theory with Dr. Tom Cowan and Dr. Andy Kaufman
-Stefan Lanka control experiment phase 1
-Stefan Lanka control experiment phase 2
-Dr. Andrew Kaufman on The Way Forward: Germs, Disease, and the Science
-Why the “Virus” Pandemic is a Farce featuring Dr. Cowan and Dr. Kaufman
-HF4H: Dr. Tom Cowan, author of the Contagion Myth
-HF4H: Dr. Robert O Young
-HF4H: Veda Austin (Context: We are made of structured water, and Veda's work shows that water not only holds memory, but it also reflects our environment, emotion, thoughts, and feelings back to us and communicates with us!)
-HF4H: Veda Austin part 2
-Dr. Kaufman refutes Coronavirus Existence
-Spacebusters: Virology Fraud in 19 Minutes
-Amandha Vollmer breaks down virus Myth
-Spacebusters: Coronavirus Debunked
DOCUMENTARIES:
-TERRAIN
-THE VIRAL DELUSION
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS BY CHRISTINE MASSEY:
-Over 190 FOI requests show there IS NO VIRUS
PAGES & ACCOUNTS:
-Dr. Sam Bailey's Youtube Channel
-Alfa Vedic's "Germ Theory is Bunk”
-Dawn Lester & David Parker's blog, What Really Makes You Ill?
-ViroLIEgy: A resource covering all the lies of virology
-Undercover Virologist on Instagram
-Amandha Vollmer's telegram
-Humanely by Daniel Roytas
-Mike Donio's substack
-Jon Rappoport’s No More Fake News
-Jerm Warfare
-Alec Zeck's Substack
ARTICLES:
-The Virus Misconception Part 1 by Stefan Lanka
-The Virus Misconception Part 2 by Stefan Lanka
-The Virus Misconception Part 3 by Stefan Lanka
-The reason behind me knowing there is no existence of viruses by John Blaid
-There is No Proof of SARS-CoV-2 by Alec Zeck
-Rational Debate can be Respectful if we Stick to the Facts by Mike Donio
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Forwarded from Dr Mike Yeadon
I’m aware this two page backgrounder & experimental proposal aims to show whether or not viruses exist, focussing on SARS-CoV-2. I’m a signatory because, having given a lot of thought to the entire proposition, I now believe it’s yet another of the lies to which we’ve been subject. In the case of scientists, even those in commercial drug discovery, have taken as fact that viruses exist without ever reviewing the original papers.
When you read the earliest such paper, you may get that hollow feeling in your abdomen (as I did) when you realise that what’s being described does not conform to “the scientific method”.
One of the facts that I remember caused me serious problems, early in 2020 (though I confess I simply forgot about it, I think because I naturally assumed the problem was mine) was that no one could get the alleged virus to grow in lining cells from human lungs.
Now, we have to accept, surely, that if there is a transmissible agent that’s spread by release into exhaled breath, droplets etc & causes among other things respiratory illnesses, it MUST freely infect these lining cells.
These are called “normal human bronchial epithelial cells” (HNBE) & though not easy to do, with practise it’s possible to culture these in a very standard manner. When I was in R&D, leading lung / respiratory / allergy research for many years, we routinely employed NHBE as test systems, for example to look at the effect of experimental medicines & other stimuli on airway lining cells.
How it could be possible that NHBE don’t easily support replication of an alleged respiratory virus is severely problematic in my view.
I don’t treat this as a religious matter. I couldn’t care less one way or another whether viruses as a class exist. That’s not the problem.
The problem is that essentially the entire world is hostage to the testable but untested assumption that SARS-CoV-2 is a bona fide infective agent of human airways.
But, telling us that this alleged virus simply won’t grow in NHBE, that’s OK, is it?
Many cell types used in labs are transformed / immortalized cell lines. They often bear no resemblance to the type of tissue they came from. Changes often occur such that they are unlike the natural situation.
But NHBE are PRIMARY cells, taken often from living people & quickly grown in cell culture, using air/liquid interface apparatus. Because their apical surfaces face the air & their basolateral aspect in under water, they retain morphology & behaviour that is, as far as we can tell, identical to the situation in your own airways.
They respond well to several therapeutic drugs like corticosteroids, to pro-inflammatory stimuli like allergens, bacterial toxins, cigarette smoke & condensate, ozone & the like, the are well accepted as a good model for human airway lining cells.
I therefore believe if it’s true that scientists cannot get SARS-CoV-2 will not infect NHBE, that observation alone is extremely problematic.
Anyway, if you’re not already familiar with this controversy, please have a read of the statement & research proposition.
Many thanks
Mike
https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/
👉 https://news.1rj.ru/str/DrMikeYeadon
When you read the earliest such paper, you may get that hollow feeling in your abdomen (as I did) when you realise that what’s being described does not conform to “the scientific method”.
One of the facts that I remember caused me serious problems, early in 2020 (though I confess I simply forgot about it, I think because I naturally assumed the problem was mine) was that no one could get the alleged virus to grow in lining cells from human lungs.
Now, we have to accept, surely, that if there is a transmissible agent that’s spread by release into exhaled breath, droplets etc & causes among other things respiratory illnesses, it MUST freely infect these lining cells.
These are called “normal human bronchial epithelial cells” (HNBE) & though not easy to do, with practise it’s possible to culture these in a very standard manner. When I was in R&D, leading lung / respiratory / allergy research for many years, we routinely employed NHBE as test systems, for example to look at the effect of experimental medicines & other stimuli on airway lining cells.
How it could be possible that NHBE don’t easily support replication of an alleged respiratory virus is severely problematic in my view.
I don’t treat this as a religious matter. I couldn’t care less one way or another whether viruses as a class exist. That’s not the problem.
The problem is that essentially the entire world is hostage to the testable but untested assumption that SARS-CoV-2 is a bona fide infective agent of human airways.
But, telling us that this alleged virus simply won’t grow in NHBE, that’s OK, is it?
Many cell types used in labs are transformed / immortalized cell lines. They often bear no resemblance to the type of tissue they came from. Changes often occur such that they are unlike the natural situation.
But NHBE are PRIMARY cells, taken often from living people & quickly grown in cell culture, using air/liquid interface apparatus. Because their apical surfaces face the air & their basolateral aspect in under water, they retain morphology & behaviour that is, as far as we can tell, identical to the situation in your own airways.
They respond well to several therapeutic drugs like corticosteroids, to pro-inflammatory stimuli like allergens, bacterial toxins, cigarette smoke & condensate, ozone & the like, the are well accepted as a good model for human airway lining cells.
I therefore believe if it’s true that scientists cannot get SARS-CoV-2 will not infect NHBE, that observation alone is extremely problematic.
Anyway, if you’re not already familiar with this controversy, please have a read of the statement & research proposition.
Many thanks
Mike
https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/
👉 https://news.1rj.ru/str/DrMikeYeadon
Dr Sam Bailey
The “Settling The Virus Debate” Statement
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covered16emergencylandingsprovingflatearth_191007025918_compressed.pdf
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Interesting. Keep an open mind
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