It makes me think of video games, there is this concept of "New Game +"

Look at marketing that has come out in the last few years, so many companies just attaching a "plus / +" sign to their brand. We're new and improved... lol.

I've touched on this before with the idea that utopian earth needed to be ended, due to material addiction. Just those sent on the mission to fix that, have gone a tad too far at this point by my observance.

Yeah that just doesnt work for me.
It is easy enough to write something, then make it come true - from the position of the deceiver or localized "god" we have to deal with here. As we see "Revelation" come true.. hilarity for individuals who control the realm to do what they said they would do.

Bible, Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, remains one of my favorite twists of the word )

Do I have the wisdom to create a compass greater than the divine? Creator God, no that's the master to me. Local God?.. Yahweh or whatever it's name is.. Satan.. etc.. useless. A failure. All the human potential and we get this?.... This mess?.. No, I will not worship such a stupid being. Now, if its mission is to ruin utopia so we leave some sort of simulated reality - different situation.

So his word, the Bible, made it through thousands of years of reality without any manipulation? This one book? I talked to another ignorant religious believer on this very idea recently. Kept going on how noscripture was everything and even with manipulation - that "God" (which one?) is aware of.. that it's still true to his word.

Give me a fucking break. You think one single item was just allowed to sail through our reality without taint by the parasites?..

Give your head a shake.

Nothing wrong with the core message. If anyone is over friendly be aware, and watch your tongue if we get into some bullshit.

It's a sorting hat message, like harry potter.

Who agrees, disagrees, and who is on the fence.

Schill or not, there is a message in the nonsense.

Be aware.

The stack is thick against humanity, even the stuff that is fake - as now we're at 9:30 pm EST and im not aware of any event.

But what does the message say?.. no doubt we are all being looked at from afar by the arch enemy.

As we have seen many false idols in this effort to help humanity. If people take what is useful from the talking heads, it is not so bad. It is just like the whole awakening, trule soul, christ connection, etc.

Keep climbing, keep pushing.

We can pull useful things from anything, repurpose, and move forward.

Don't get stuck holding onto just one hope. Build your own hope, create your path.

There are personalities about who present great ideas, take those ideas, but do not worship those persons.

Jesus being complicated, I will give this my best go.

Forgive my ignorance on any of this that I will say. It's my perception.

So Jesus, and Christ, two different items. Just as Jesus and Lucifer are close, and there's much to read on that.

I focus much less on the person that was Jesus Christ in our history. I look at Jesus, as the Christ. As perhaps the first Christ, paving the way for future Christ's. There's a big Christ Consciousness theory worth reading. I've also posted in the past, that Christ gave us imagination, creativity, consciousness.

So lets say earth was super Utopia in past, Garden of Even type. Well why would anyone go elsewhere in the multiverse? A material experience that was absolutely of pleasure. free energy, good food, peace. It does seem these people were pretty wise at the top of their culture, but perhaps not all souls could keep up? Thus they fell.. Depends again on the nature of reality. If we had everything on hand, would we all grow spiritually? I believe there is potential but not the standard in everyone. This is not meant to sound dismissive. but some people do choose to just live in the matrix - and that is their choice.

So we have utopia overseen by a local god, who loves us but wants worship. We worship the material world, the 3d realm, and he is happy. However we get stuck in a loop, and no one moves on in spiritual growth. People become less, because they have so much for no effort. We think us noble enough to handle that, but keeping it together when excess is available is a tough task.

So we go Eden/Utopia, to hardship source to "wake us up".. having a "the path is narrow, I love you" being trying to help correct the initial reaction in the realm.

Super good reality, into chaos reality, into make it better - organic, into how to be better reality, jesus and love, creativity, creation, into chaos reality force trying to persist.

It'd be like this..

Satan started, for this was his earth to offer to Jesus, but he started this. Lucifer came down at first to help, to break the utopia because it was saturated in materialism. Lucifer went too far. Jesus got involved and came down, presented the "Christ".. creativity, consciousness, personality... he was destroyed for it. Then Satan, the ego, does not like this help and rebels. Wants the love and worship. Lucifer, keeps going, totally lost to the mission now. Max dark light. Teachings of the Christ continue, and are challenged often.

Dark -> False Light (failed) -> Light (Christ - warring)

So we arrive then at a position that we need the light, the truth.. balance is so far off, even the grey must step into the light.

The universe is on the edge of its seat as mankind navigates the sea of chaos to establish a castle of order.

It's hard for me to pinpoint. As the matrix of souls, true souls and npc, or sleeping souls is a very complex machine.

I think we see our reality continue to worsen, while emotional, spiritual.. natural skills flourish. People will look after eachother, I would argue the less population density the better. Cities will be chaos, semi rural order will set in.

The deck is stacked for tough times, but many are out there waiting for the signal to make it better.

Ordinary men worships the Sun/Son

Wise men worships the SUNSHINE.

[4]= Devil
Lived

Lived= PAST.DONE.DEAD.MEMORY. WHICH IS THOUGHT ( MOTHER)

Mind/thought are One. Same. Known as a graveyard. Projects the past ( future) you witness in real time ( ASLEEP) during sleep, one dreams. Dream= THINKING

Jesus= flesh body. You wear your cross ( body)
Christ (= I am= Imagination = thought thinking itself) Imagination= manifestation known as recollection. Remembering.

Bible is a magical book. Revelation. Coded. Not secular history. Every characters = States of consciousness.

Know thyself= total man. Complete man. RESURECTED = ALIVE. for " death" is SLEEP ( DREAMING which is giving vitality to incident over)

Dying before death is a path for warriors.


— A True Soul

I think to a degree there is a nudge to go in a direction for yourself, but arguably all directions and experience are good and help consideration as the personality. This is evil, sin, or this is good, virtue.. these ideas are not absolute. There is consideration, and consent, in everything. If we just held more true to that, things would get much better.

You have no idea how close you are, to the conclusions I've come to and am now trying to prove and that Ryan has, coming from looking at a different part of the world too?
Though the surface details may not be the same, the inner workings are and they're far more important.
Think of this Eden like utopia, that you began with, more along the lines of of either one global civilisation, or a possible 4, separate, yet interconnecting civilisations. The fall, being something that we did that in some ways, altered the very fabric of our reality and severed our connection to the planet and our creator.
We (humanity) summoned something from the abyss, or encountered something that we possibly believed was a product of our creation (I lean towards it being believed to be an ancient AI) and this AI fooled the elite of that time, to begin experimenting with not only human DNA, but the DNA of all lifeforms on Earth, mixing and matching with no care or consequence. This resulted in most of the ancient mythical oddities that we see, the most well known being those of Greek myths.
This heightened genetic tampering was to find the one and only chromosome in all living things, that is identical, lovingly called (and in a purely not sarcastic way I'm sure?) 'God's copyright', by genetic engineers today.
Though I believe this was the Abyssal beings search and the elites, drunk with power, were promised that they would be made into gods. So, in order to keep this godlike power to themselves, they also altered the genes of the general population and created a literal schism between us and them. Them being what was once humanity and us being a new lifeeform. This is the origin of the myth of humanity's fall, I believe.
Anyway, there's more to this story and I'm already taking up too much message space, so I'll leave it there.
But in summary:
I get what you're saying and we're both coming to similar conclusions.

- SF

Alright.

As I said above, I dont think the Bible is dependable, was selected and constructed for use. Example King James also wrote a book on demonology, while providing a Bible edit that many people flock to. It could be God's word -> but which God?

I do not think God is order, rather God is outside of time. He is not on the line of "Good" and "Evil." Actions or ideas are not entirely good and evil, in general, as lets say a forest burns down — but then the soil gets reset and within a generation we have a brand new forest full of new life and animals. Personal tragedy in life, lets say you loose your job, get injured, etc... this can be evil/bad and continue to spiral.. but many take the bad in and make something better of it. To me Good and Evil are limited thinking concepts, where as Cause and Effect, or Intent and Outcome, are other filters to use when examining a situation.

Christ Consciousness / God's Gift - to us the co-creators or the participants in reality is extremely powerful. Though as suggested I don't think it is strictly tied to a desire to be orderly. I think balance is more important, as Order easily can be Control under the guise of doing good. As with everything, levels of control, amount of control, intent.. are critical in the consideration. As the world has slid into darkness, it is very easy for a figure to step in and be "the light" — while being a false light and possibly a trap.

I do agree with you, when I hear about things coming from celestial beings, challenging's, spirits, etc.. I am somewhat skeptical on the total truth of the product/idea/theory. I don't specifically label this stuff as New Agism, as to me the understanding of creation, of reality, of the realm and the relationship between us and Creator God — all this should be understandable, debatable, observable without any book or movie.

To return to the initial point, God vs Satan. I think it's Lucifer vs Satan on this realm - or Lucifer vs Yahweh.

Yahweh the original owner of the realm, with Lucifer coming down to disrupt the old world. Old world being where we had peek materialism - no suffering, all this tech, total control of the realm. This is Old Testament God that demanded worship, but loved us. Not a good combination in a parent/manager/godlike administrator of earth. Lucifer is tasked with wrecking the place, as man has ceased to spiritually evolve, being so well looked after by Loving Yahweh. Lucifer has to set about a grand plan, and perhaps even used cataclysms to speed up this process. The great flood/mud flood.

Then, this process goes too far from my perspective but I am not a divine being to my immediate knowledge. So we have Jesus arrive, from Creator God, to bring the Christ Consciousness / Concept of Christ / Imagination / Creativity / etc... to re-balance the realm.

In this all, mortal followers of all three have had mixed ranks. It would seem to me that some followers of Lucifer/Satan do not want the party to end, being game makers so long they do not wish to return to having a mortal experience on this realm.

We keep hearing about a new earth, technology and utopia again, etc.. to me these easily could be the begging of the local gods for people to stay on earth when the time to decide comes.

"Go into the light" has been studied if it is a good thing, as well as the "life review" that is presented under various beliefs. "Oh you didnt do good enough, shall we go back again?" It's a loop, and great bribery by local management to keep people playing the game.

To get out of this place, and return to Creator God, I feel we must give up all attachments when we pass, and move away from whatever tries to pull us back.

Which returns us to a point I made to you earlier. The Christians are well positioned to be totally captured by a false messiah, not even the anti Christ but a "fake" Jesus returning. The "End Times" playing out before us.. I see it as people who wrote a book about what they would do - then doing it. There are theories that even suggest the year of the world is not 2023 - rather 5999. One year left until "The End." Other theories suggest we lost 600-800 years and "time" was erased. Totally possible.

The goal to me is not to remain here.. we come here, we participate as our personalities see fit, then we move on.

Anything trying to keep humans on Earth, to what end is this desire of theirs?

Balance is the "Narrow Path" back to "God Consciousness."

In the New Testament it is presented that "Only through Jesus" can one get back to God. Ain't that just great. What if I am unable to learn about the Bible for some reason, previously before technology you'd arguably have millions of people who'd never heard a damned thing about this - did they all just die and go no where?

Balance is the path I feel, because the Path must go left, or right.. it must choose between the duality and take what it needs to keep moving forward in self creation, refinement, so forth.

We are not to ignore the duality either, this is nearly impossible and a journey to no where in my opinion. We must take what is given, and make from it what we will. This reflects on our soul and the personality.

Perhaps I was a gang banger as a young man, then ran a homestead and provided shelter for battered women and children later in life? Perhaps I drank and drove, killing someone, but then made my life mission to help people with substance abuse?

The traditional religions make up all sorts of attachment to anything we do. Sins, good and bad behavior. All externally placed, though not unreasonable to the internal moral compass. However, as long as you submit to me - from the perspective of their Gods - I will forgive you and love you in the "after" life.

Anyone who wants your submission is worth questioning.

When taking down a garden at end of season, do you folks gold it on itself to let the leaves and such break down and add to the soil or remove whole plant?

Mildew covered leaves and stuff yea need to go.. but the rest should be useful for next year I figure.

Reign in Hell, or Serve in Heaven?

Neither to me.