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Question: Can the easily abused copyright system on Youtube be used to our benefit?

First off, please forgive my ignorance. I have been aware of issues with the copyright abuse system on youtube for a while, but [it wasn't until I read the comments on this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ag8ovy/starwarstheory_creates_a_darth_vader_fan_film/) that I started to realize how bad this system actually is.

It seems like the system is massively prone to abuse. Considering this, is there anyway we can use this easily abused system for the benefit of content creators and the users of the platform?

Now these are just silly ideas off the top of my head, so please correct me if I am wrong, but can any of the following be achieved?

* Have two (or more) youtube accounts, and repeatedly claim copyright on your own material to stop others from doing the same?
* Can copyright claims be made against companies that operate on youtube, so we can find ways of claiming their money? If so, can we distribute a step by step guide to how to do this so that we have a quick and easy way of making money of corporate videos?
* Can we spam youtube with so many copyright claims that the entire system falls over?

The ultimate aim of any of these things would be to force youtube to change their copyright system to something that isn't so easily abused. My guess is that while youtube is making money and their big corporate partners are making money they won't care too much about the odd small time content creator getting ripped off. However if we can find a way of making this a massive headache for youtube and (in particular) start cutting into the revenues of them or their partners, then things will be sorted out much faster.

Again, if these are all silly and unrealistic ideas then please forgive me. I am just trying to think of how this system can be dismantled through its very nature of being easily abused. Any other ideas along this line would be very welcome.

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Small Claims and you: a brief guide to using the legal system to resolve copyright disputes

#Disclaimers
I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Do your own research first, I'm just an autist with way too much time on my hands.

#What is small claims court?
Small claims was made to handle relatively minor disputes that would otherwise be too costly to pursue for plaintiffs and too numerous and petty for full civil court to want to handle. This is primarily for open-and-shut contract disputes - eg, you pay someone $500 to do something, they don't do it, so you pursue legal action to get compensated for damages.

#Why small claims?
The big downside is that there's a statutory limit to how much you can pursue, typically $10,000. On the upside, small claims uses different rules designed to make it easier and cheaper to use the legal system. Typically, the defendent cannot have a lawyer present (unless you're like, suing a lawyer personally or a law firm.) You also don't need a lawyer. Filing and service fees are low. And the clerks at the courthouse can answer procedural questions like "how do I file a suit", because it's designed to not need lots of legal training to be used.

#Torts
You can't just say that people owe you money and get taken seriously. There has to be a legal reason you are owe damages - a tort.

In this case, you are probably suing for two related claims: interference with contract (or economic advantage), and defamation. I'll talk about these separately:

##Tortious interference (California)

https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/2200/2201/ , or possibly https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/2200/2202/

>1. That there was a contract between [name of plaintiff] and [name of third party];
>2. That [name of defendant] knew of the contract;
>3. That [name of defendant]’s conduct prevented performance or made performance more expensive or difficult;
>4. That [name of defendant] [intended to disrupt the performance of this contract/ [or] knew that disruption of performance was certain or substantially certain to occur];
>5. That [name of plaintiff] was harmed; and
>6. That [name of defendant]’s conduct was a substantial factor in causing [name of plaintiff]’s harm.

You'll want to show facts that prove each of these points. You have a contract with YouTube (terms of service) as a content creator. The defendant knows about this because you upload stuff to YouTube and everyone who does so has such a contract with YouTube. The conduct interfered with the service via any copyright strikes, your time spent dealing with the dispute, diverted advertising revenue, and anything else you can document. It's a copyright claim, the defendant should know that it disrupt your relationship with YouTube. Harms are losses from advertising revenue and any copyright strikes in your account. It's a substantial factor in causing the harm because YouTube told you that their conduct with the copyright dispute caused this.

##Defamation

https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/1700/1705/

>1. That [name of defendant] made [one or more of] the statement(s) to [a person/persons] other than [name of plaintiff];
>2. That [this person/these people] reasonably understood that the statement(s) [was/were] about [name of plaintiff];
>3. That because of the facts and circumstances known to the [listener(s)/reader(s)] of the statement(s), [it/they] tended to injure [name of plaintiff] in [his/her] occupation [or to expose[him/her] to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or shame] [or to discourage others from associating or dealing with [him/her]];
>4. That [name of defendant] failed to use reasonable care to determine the truth or falsity of the statement(s);
>5. That [name of plaintiff] suffered harm to [his/her] property, business, profession, or occupation [including money spent as a result of the statement(s)]; and
>6. That the statement(s) [was/were] a substantial factor in causing [name of plaintiff]’s harm.

You can also show facts to fit all of these pieces. The statement is that you uploaded work that t
hey own the copyright to. It's a statement about you in particular as the uploader of the work. It discourages YouTube specifically from associating or dealing with you via their copyright strike policy. The statement was obviously false, and as such didn't use any sort of reasonable care to determine the truth or falsity of the claim. The harm suffered is both to your reputation with YouTube (via copyright strikes), time and money spent as a result of the statements, and diverted advertising revenue. And the statements caused the harm because YouTube sent you a message explaining that this dispute caused a copyright strike and/or diverted advertising revenue.

Furthermore, in California, the defamation claim allows for punitive damages as well as monetary ones, if you can show that the defendant acted with "malice, oppression, or fraud". All three of these [appear applicable](https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/3900/3940/). You'll also want to add in news articles to support your claim that this is "pattern or practice" common on YouTube, since this is a factor that can be considered when awarding punitive damages.

#Demand Letter
The first step is to have documented an attempt to resolve things without a lawsuit. This is a demand letter. You want to write things professionally, short, and to the point. What happened, when, what you want them to do about it. “You claimed this video on this date with an obviously false copyright claim. Retract this claim and pay me $500 by June 3rd, or I will sue you in small claims." Send it certified mail and retain the tracking info and a copy of the letter. Some of the time, this is where your process ends, as it's an expensive pain in the ass to be sued so sending you $500 or whatever is often far cheaper.

#The actual lawsuit bits
The most likely defense you'll face is a jurisdictional argument. The court doesn't consider it fair to haul basically anyone to rural North Dakota over a small claim - they have to have nexus there, some sort of operational presence.

If you sue in California, though, you have better odds of prevailing here. YouTube is famously headquartered in California, they do business with YouTube, and they lied to a California company about a California resident. It's very reasonable to handle disputes about the incident in California courts. Also, YouTube's [terms of service](https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms) state that it's governed under California law (specifically in Santa Clara County).

Past that I only really have generic advice from listening to lawyers talk about stuff. Write professionally and to the point. Bring up facts and tie them to a legal theory and a narrative. You may want to submit news articles about the false-claim-for-cash phenomenon to show that this is an ordinary regular harm that these folks are dishing out for profit.

#Collecting and post-lawsuit

Winning the lawsuit doesn't automatically move money from the defendant to you. It gives you the right to use the legal system to pursue collection actions. What I think you'll want to do is garnish their advertising payments from YouTube, since you know YouTube is sending them money you have a right to.

You'll also want to send YouTube a certified letter to their legal department saying that civil court found these specific statements defamatory and false, and asking them to remove the claim and any associated copyright strikes. Again attach a date to this request, and maybe pay a lawyer to write this one.

#Postnoscript

There may also be a claim you could make against YouTube, but that's more likely to be a class-action that some enterprising lawyer will take up for personal profit (hint hint).

Small claims court will also issue subpoenas - legal demands for documents and testimony - that are a pain in the ass to comply with. You want to be a pain in the ass until and unless your wrongs have been righted. If the court agrees that it is equitable, this power can include getting incredibly important people to waste their day in court being involved in your dispute
. For instance, you can try to subpoena the CEO of YouTube, who is worth a cool 500 million dollars. You'll have to compensate them for travel costs so it isn't free to subpoena folks, but it is leverage. This will piss off important folks, though, so don't pull these shenanigans unless you're ok with that. But in negotiations, "pay me or I'll force the CEO of your business partner to show up in court and give testimony" is an incredibly strong negotiating position to be in.

Finally, take copious notes and documentation. This will be very useful if you go through this process a second time for similar causes, and will let you basically do the whole thing on auto-pilot. Plus, specific facts help out a ton in the case itself.

Feel free to repost this and/or copy-paste it wherever you'd like.

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Popular pianist YouTube channel Rosseau may get shut down. A music company is making copyright claims on his own content. (REPOST)

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2019 January - Pokimane files a false copyright strike against a video that compiled a Twitter fight between her and Keemstar

The video itself is from November 2018, but the recent focus has been due to a copyright strike to take down the video from Pokimane.

Original Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3di34fA2h0

Fainted comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWn69uDRH-k

PewDiePie comments: https://youtu.be/yMuEeUyMfUo?t=359

Pokimane Apology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AU0JJ2wlA

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For about 2 years, threads keep popping up on 4chan about "Monkey Hate" on youtube. What is Monkey Hate? Search for literally any video about baby monkeys and then go into the comment section.

I thought this would be a great topic for this sub, especially since I don't really see it mentioned much outside of /x/.

NOW, that being the case, there is a possibility that this phenomena is simply a bunch of edgy kids trying to disturb others on the internet. I've only just learned of this but it seems to have only been noticed by others for about 2 years. Regardless I find this creepy as shit considering kids on the platform without supervision. How easy it would be for someone to look up cute baby monkey videos and then stumble into some horrific shit. It's not just comments, a lot of videos show monkeys being abused, eaten in nature, locked in cages, etc and so forth. But that's only vids.

What you will find in the comments of these videos (hours and hours of them being found in playlists called "Kill Baby Monkeys" and "Hurting Monkeys") is pages of people, real people as far as I can tell, absolutely frothing about how much they would like to torture baby monkeys. This goes far beyond any type of weird sub group, all these comments get lots of replies, likes, and come in many languages. They read like they were written by bots but you can see that most have real enough profiles. If I have to post a link or screenshots instead of a self post, I will. I just wanted to know if anyone here was aware of this because it freaked the hell out of me. A lot of the comments are just sick beyond even 4chan's capabilities. One of the theories I've seen is that it likely started with thirdworld countries or places like India where monkeys are a common nuisance as opposed to some cute exotic version of a cat video. But that doesn't hold water for me seeing as a lot of the commenter profiles seem like white, western peoples and also, I have never in my life seen someone say how much they love to kill and cruelly torture raccoons or stray cats or skunks or rats. Not to this level anyway. A lot of it reads like torture porn, someone practicing or fantasizing about hurting a person or child really, but disguising it as a weird anti-monkey fetish. Heavily fucked up.

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2019 January - Drake Bell (Of Drake and Josh fame) has had his Youtube account hacked and asks youtube for help. Youtube responds by saying the hacker owns the channel, not him.

Drake Bell's youtube account was hacked causing him to go to twitter to get youtube's help and seems that he had a private chat

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1085986497734602752

* Drake Bell angry at Youtube

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1085986858050441219


* Drake Bell saying that He will not be able to release any music now

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1085987886296690689

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1085988209190944769


* Drake bell claims that Youtube did a private investigation and messaged him back saying it was the hackers channel

https://twitter.com/BarbieZuniga/status/1086001629164232704

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1086004140168396800


* Youtube responds saying they can't do anything

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1086009436030857217


* Drake Bell announcing he's moving to twitch

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1086010357972418561


* Drake Bell calling out Youtube again

https://twitter.com/DrakeBell/status/1086011090838974464

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