Media is too big
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“A few years ago, Gaza received new water pipelines thanks to foreign aid. Hamas dug up the pipelines and turned them into rockets that they later fired at Israel”
Counterargument:
“They were water pipes used to take water FROM Gaza to Israel. Also the explosives in the rockets were from unexploded rockets Israel had fired AT Gaza.”
Counterargument:
“They were water pipes used to take water FROM Gaza to Israel. Also the explosives in the rockets were from unexploded rockets Israel had fired AT Gaza.”
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Was quite releaved to see this tweet a couple hours ago,
Finally I could put to rest a bad feeling that’d been really sticking in the back of my mind,
Something I’d badly wanted to ignore, but just couldn’t let go,
- that overwhelming feeling that someone is lying to you.
Finally they’d done it.
They’d found someone who would at least claim to be first person witness,
to that 2nd big piece of the palestine-flattening pitch, aside from the 40 babies decapitation,
“We saw Hamas gunmen kill and rape”
Finally I could put to rest a bad feeling that’d been really sticking in the back of my mind,
Something I’d badly wanted to ignore, but just couldn’t let go,
- that overwhelming feeling that someone is lying to you.
Finally they’d done it.
They’d found someone who would at least claim to be first person witness,
to that 2nd big piece of the palestine-flattening pitch, aside from the 40 babies decapitation,
“We saw Hamas gunmen kill and rape”
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Media is too big
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News caption: “Rave massacre survivor Millet Ben Haim: We saw Hamas gunmen kill and rape”
Her actual words: “We saw a lot of people falling down. We don’t know, some of them, probably, um, dead, some of them are kidnapped, raped, everything that you hear about.”
Bro.
She literally says “we don’t know.”
Not. One. First. Person. Witness.
Not one.
Sure, mass rapes this have been well-confirmed to happen in other terrorist hostage scenarios, e.g. Boko Haram.
But, “happened in similar cases” -> “proof it happend in this case?”
That argument really bothers no one at all? Good enough?
“Black schizophrenic dudes, as a group, have an outsized propensity for murdering” -> “Here’s a random black schizophrenic dude we found on the street” -> “ok that’s all the evidence we need, let’s put this guy to death.” Good enough?
For many people, that form of argument is good enough, that logic is perfectly sound.
Amazing.
Her actual words: “We saw a lot of people falling down. We don’t know, some of them, probably, um, dead, some of them are kidnapped, raped, everything that you hear about.”
Bro.
She literally says “we don’t know.”
Not. One. First. Person. Witness.
Not one.
Sure, mass rapes this have been well-confirmed to happen in other terrorist hostage scenarios, e.g. Boko Haram.
But, “happened in similar cases” -> “proof it happend in this case?”
That argument really bothers no one at all? Good enough?
“Black schizophrenic dudes, as a group, have an outsized propensity for murdering” -> “Here’s a random black schizophrenic dude we found on the street” -> “ok that’s all the evidence we need, let’s put this guy to death.” Good enough?
For many people, that form of argument is good enough, that logic is perfectly sound.
Amazing.
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Truth Lovers & Truth Oblivious
Many folk theories out there, trying to explain the extreme divide among the 2 types of people:
• Those with an extreme distaste for lies and bad argument forms, absolutely no matter what, never content with hearing lies
• Those who cannot even comprehend that truth is even something that exists, something not just some kind of emotional consensus
BOTH sides vastly underestimating how real the other group of people is, thinking everyone is just like them…
Many folk theories out there, trying to explain the extreme divide among the 2 types of people:
• Those with an extreme distaste for lies and bad argument forms, absolutely no matter what, never content with hearing lies
• Those who cannot even comprehend that truth is even something that exists, something not just some kind of emotional consensus
BOTH sides vastly underestimating how real the other group of people is, thinking everyone is just like them…
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Theories abound to explain this dramatic difference in thinking,
Some involving people accepting consensus as the ultimate arbiter of truth out of an intense fear of peer pressure and threat of social ostracism.
Others pointing out that, wait, no, these people aren’t just faking their belief that consensus makes truth, they genuinely believe it. Something deeper at work.
Still, there’s definitely a genuine “fear to think.”
How does this affect decisions about society organization?
Can understand why things were done in certain strange ways in the past.
Is there a better way in the future, other than just going back to what worked in the past?
Yes — But it’s definitely not the path the world is currently on.
Will have to be something very different.
Some involving people accepting consensus as the ultimate arbiter of truth out of an intense fear of peer pressure and threat of social ostracism.
Others pointing out that, wait, no, these people aren’t just faking their belief that consensus makes truth, they genuinely believe it. Something deeper at work.
Still, there’s definitely a genuine “fear to think.”
How does this affect decisions about society organization?
Can understand why things were done in certain strange ways in the past.
Is there a better way in the future, other than just going back to what worked in the past?
Yes — But it’s definitely not the path the world is currently on.
Will have to be something very different.
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Asch conformity:
(A) People who genuinely believed that the consensus opinion is true
(B) People who just went with the consensus out of fear, but knew it wasn’t the truth
— Surprising part to many is the group (A) is much bigger than group (B).
MOST of the consensus believers genuinely believing that consensus belief overrules their own eyes, and not just going along out of fear.
But even Asch’s experiments don’t go far enough in illustrating how huge, and weird, the divide is between the thinking of the people at the two extremes.
(A) People who genuinely believed that the consensus opinion is true
(B) People who just went with the consensus out of fear, but knew it wasn’t the truth
— Surprising part to many is the group (A) is much bigger than group (B).
MOST of the consensus believers genuinely believing that consensus belief overrules their own eyes, and not just going along out of fear.
But even Asch’s experiments don’t go far enough in illustrating how huge, and weird, the divide is between the thinking of the people at the two extremes.
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Fear of social rejection gene
— Those who reject objective truth in favor of consensus,
because of intense fear of social rejection,
because genes.
(Though clearly this is only part of the story, and here strong drugs like morphine or strong hormones like testosterone can counteract the problem, to an extent.)
— Those who reject objective truth in favor of consensus,
because of intense fear of social rejection,
because genes.
(Though clearly this is only part of the story, and here strong drugs like morphine or strong hormones like testosterone can counteract the problem, to an extent.)