Just finished and what an amazing show
Loved the ending. I had seen absolutely nothing coming into the show and had no idea what to expect. My favourite season were 1/2/6 but all were great. Its always a weird feeling when you finish a show like this.
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Loved the ending. I had seen absolutely nothing coming into the show and had no idea what to expect. My favourite season were 1/2/6 but all were great. Its always a weird feeling when you finish a show like this.
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The explanations of a video-game player for the mysteries
Please note that I've read very few explanations online. I came up with these answers and they satisfy me (unless I'm proven wrong, of course).
THE MONSTER : I always found odd, especially in the early seasons, that the black smoke monster acts like some wild animal, knocking down trees and trying to attack anyone, even people who are protected by Jacob. Even stranger is that Ben activates something in the town to unleash the monster. My explanation would be that MiB was divided into different parts, as if he was dismembered. So his limbs are destructive powers without much of a brain that are looking to cause destruction and kill, while his head / torso use more intelligent & psychological methods, like taking dead people's appearance. Ben probably only unleashed MiB's left leg (or something) on the soldiers. It's like how Dracula in Castlevania games is often dismembered, until all his parts merge near the end so you can fight him (and they did merge in LOST too, near the end).
THE WHISPERS : the show explains to us that they come from souls of the dead that are stuck on the island, and I think the reason why they always come with the Others is because some of them (like Ben) were cured with the corrupted healing water. I think the darkness of this water acts as a shield and sometimes prevents dead souls to return to the Energy inside the island. The Others probably don't realize that they have that trail of errand souls around them, caused by the Water that healed them in the past.
THE ENERGY INSIDE THE ISLAND : I don't know if you've played Final Fantasy VII but this energy is, imo, like the Lifestream : a place / an element which is the source of all souls. When something is born, a soul gets out of this source and enters the newborn's physical form, and when their physical form dies it returns to the source. Hence the need to protect this source no matter the amount of human sacrifices. The only difference with the Lifestream would be the fact that this energy is also comprised of Darkness and Light. Because we know a big theme in the entire show is the struggle between Dark and Light, whether it's between humans, in their own heads, or between the two opposing deities. I think that MiB, once thrown into the source, turned into the Dark Deity or at least its most powerful representative.
THE FLASH-SIDEWAYS : a final dream that the energy granted to all these souls who contributed in saving it, so they could meet one last time before their integration into the Core and being reincarnated. I find normal that people who died at wildly different times are able to meet since the notion of time is irrelevant in death.
I may come back later to add more since I'm rewatching the series, but I'm only at the 17th episode of the 1st season right now so it could take a while. I don't recall anything that hasn't been answered in one way or another, though? Best TV show ever.
EDIT : Ha, forgot one :
CHRISTIAN OUTSIDE THE ISLAND : I think the Light also uses dead people's appearances to try and guide the living, so anytime Christian appears out of the island, it's not MiB (since we know he is stuck on the island). After all it wouldn't make sense that MiB would tell Michael : "it's okay, you can go now" just before he dies. It is probably something like Jacob / the Light / God. Same when Jack sees Christian in the Flash Forwards. I also think the Light could also manifest into dead people ON the island? I'll think about that while rewatching.
(sorry if some of my wordings are weird, English isn't my first language)
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Please note that I've read very few explanations online. I came up with these answers and they satisfy me (unless I'm proven wrong, of course).
THE MONSTER : I always found odd, especially in the early seasons, that the black smoke monster acts like some wild animal, knocking down trees and trying to attack anyone, even people who are protected by Jacob. Even stranger is that Ben activates something in the town to unleash the monster. My explanation would be that MiB was divided into different parts, as if he was dismembered. So his limbs are destructive powers without much of a brain that are looking to cause destruction and kill, while his head / torso use more intelligent & psychological methods, like taking dead people's appearance. Ben probably only unleashed MiB's left leg (or something) on the soldiers. It's like how Dracula in Castlevania games is often dismembered, until all his parts merge near the end so you can fight him (and they did merge in LOST too, near the end).
THE WHISPERS : the show explains to us that they come from souls of the dead that are stuck on the island, and I think the reason why they always come with the Others is because some of them (like Ben) were cured with the corrupted healing water. I think the darkness of this water acts as a shield and sometimes prevents dead souls to return to the Energy inside the island. The Others probably don't realize that they have that trail of errand souls around them, caused by the Water that healed them in the past.
THE ENERGY INSIDE THE ISLAND : I don't know if you've played Final Fantasy VII but this energy is, imo, like the Lifestream : a place / an element which is the source of all souls. When something is born, a soul gets out of this source and enters the newborn's physical form, and when their physical form dies it returns to the source. Hence the need to protect this source no matter the amount of human sacrifices. The only difference with the Lifestream would be the fact that this energy is also comprised of Darkness and Light. Because we know a big theme in the entire show is the struggle between Dark and Light, whether it's between humans, in their own heads, or between the two opposing deities. I think that MiB, once thrown into the source, turned into the Dark Deity or at least its most powerful representative.
THE FLASH-SIDEWAYS : a final dream that the energy granted to all these souls who contributed in saving it, so they could meet one last time before their integration into the Core and being reincarnated. I find normal that people who died at wildly different times are able to meet since the notion of time is irrelevant in death.
I may come back later to add more since I'm rewatching the series, but I'm only at the 17th episode of the 1st season right now so it could take a while. I don't recall anything that hasn't been answered in one way or another, though? Best TV show ever.
EDIT : Ha, forgot one :
CHRISTIAN OUTSIDE THE ISLAND : I think the Light also uses dead people's appearances to try and guide the living, so anytime Christian appears out of the island, it's not MiB (since we know he is stuck on the island). After all it wouldn't make sense that MiB would tell Michael : "it's okay, you can go now" just before he dies. It is probably something like Jacob / the Light / God. Same when Jack sees Christian in the Flash Forwards. I also think the Light could also manifest into dead people ON the island? I'll think about that while rewatching.
(sorry if some of my wordings are weird, English isn't my first language)
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Watched for the first time, and I love the ending!
Had a pretty good time watching this show for the first time. It first aired when I was in college, but didn't watch it until now. I didn't know anything about the show going in.
Some things I really enjoyed: the overall storyline and acting, characters were bold and fun. I don't mind if there were some unexplained mysteries at the end. I liked the ending and had no issues with it, I thought it was a decent way to wrap up the show. I think a lot of aspects of the story were artfully tied back in at the end. I liked basically all the parts that took place on the island. I loved Sawyers character development, I feel like his character actually showed some realistic development, whereas most of the others seemed kind of stuck right up toward the end. I think Locke got screwed hard which was sad. And Claire, that was kind of a wtf choice to me.
Why didn't I love it? Myself and the person I watched it with both felt the show dragging. We got frustrated with how characters would keep information from each other even when it didn't make sense, just to drive drama and the plot. I actually enjoyed how the show felt dated, but this character dynamic in particular felt like reality TV of the era. A lot of soapy drama. It also felt like they re-did the same scenes with the same characters several times. I don't just mean flashbacks but the same issues, same conversation. Sure, you could argue that was all part of the development, but I think it was filler. Way too much focus on Jack, and I found his character to be 1 dimensional and frustrating for what was basically the lead character in most of the show.
It took way too long to reveal even some of the most basic mysteries, even when they were pertinent. The show withheld information from the viewer, the same way every character did to each other. It's not like I expected everything to be revealed, but sometimes it just felt pointless and like the show lacked direction / they were making it up as they went. By the end, I could see they had most of the ideas sketched out from the start, but it didn't make for an enjoyable show to watch for the first time. By the end, I just wanted it to be over.
A 6/10 for me. Enjoyed it, but I won't be going back to the island.
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Had a pretty good time watching this show for the first time. It first aired when I was in college, but didn't watch it until now. I didn't know anything about the show going in.
Some things I really enjoyed: the overall storyline and acting, characters were bold and fun. I don't mind if there were some unexplained mysteries at the end. I liked the ending and had no issues with it, I thought it was a decent way to wrap up the show. I think a lot of aspects of the story were artfully tied back in at the end. I liked basically all the parts that took place on the island. I loved Sawyers character development, I feel like his character actually showed some realistic development, whereas most of the others seemed kind of stuck right up toward the end. I think Locke got screwed hard which was sad. And Claire, that was kind of a wtf choice to me.
Why didn't I love it? Myself and the person I watched it with both felt the show dragging. We got frustrated with how characters would keep information from each other even when it didn't make sense, just to drive drama and the plot. I actually enjoyed how the show felt dated, but this character dynamic in particular felt like reality TV of the era. A lot of soapy drama. It also felt like they re-did the same scenes with the same characters several times. I don't just mean flashbacks but the same issues, same conversation. Sure, you could argue that was all part of the development, but I think it was filler. Way too much focus on Jack, and I found his character to be 1 dimensional and frustrating for what was basically the lead character in most of the show.
It took way too long to reveal even some of the most basic mysteries, even when they were pertinent. The show withheld information from the viewer, the same way every character did to each other. It's not like I expected everything to be revealed, but sometimes it just felt pointless and like the show lacked direction / they were making it up as they went. By the end, I could see they had most of the ideas sketched out from the start, but it didn't make for an enjoyable show to watch for the first time. By the end, I just wanted it to be over.
A 6/10 for me. Enjoyed it, but I won't be going back to the island.
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One sad aspect of the finale I don’t see people talk about
I’ve only seen the show once so if I’ve misunderstood the ending then feel free to correct me.
My understanding when Jack dies is that everyone there is dead. As his father explained, they all meet at that same point to pass over together regardless of when they died even if it’s years in to the future.
If this is the case, the scene is incredibly sad for Kate, Sawyer and Claire.
They got off the island. They should have continued their lives potentially for decades and moved on from the island and yet when they died they came back to these people. This means none of them met people they truly cared about after the island, Claire had a son but in the afterlife she went back to when he was a baby so did she not have any other moments with him when he was older she wanted to bring to this time? Was she truly happy to have him as a baby again after years of seeing him grow? Sawyer went to Juliette looking happy and Kate to Jack implying they never found anyone else they loved after the island (or else they would be questioning why they aren’t with them instead). They were all happy to be in that moment with those people which to me implies they have no other people they wanted to be with in that moment instead. Years off the island without making real deep connections with anyone.
So the ending to me just tells me the people that got off the island never had it better than those months there, that years after their lives never progress or improved to the point they would miss something or someone in this moment and to me that makes their escape from the island feel somewhat hollow.
There’s two caveats to this of course:
Firstly, maybe they never actually made it back to civilisation after take off which is even more depressing.
Secondly, I’ve heard people say that this is just Jacks version of them meeting up and going together. That everyone has their own one when they move on and if this is true it alleviates the above point but then it means Jack hasn’t spent his final moments with anyone other than his memories which is also sad.
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I’ve only seen the show once so if I’ve misunderstood the ending then feel free to correct me.
My understanding when Jack dies is that everyone there is dead. As his father explained, they all meet at that same point to pass over together regardless of when they died even if it’s years in to the future.
If this is the case, the scene is incredibly sad for Kate, Sawyer and Claire.
They got off the island. They should have continued their lives potentially for decades and moved on from the island and yet when they died they came back to these people. This means none of them met people they truly cared about after the island, Claire had a son but in the afterlife she went back to when he was a baby so did she not have any other moments with him when he was older she wanted to bring to this time? Was she truly happy to have him as a baby again after years of seeing him grow? Sawyer went to Juliette looking happy and Kate to Jack implying they never found anyone else they loved after the island (or else they would be questioning why they aren’t with them instead). They were all happy to be in that moment with those people which to me implies they have no other people they wanted to be with in that moment instead. Years off the island without making real deep connections with anyone.
So the ending to me just tells me the people that got off the island never had it better than those months there, that years after their lives never progress or improved to the point they would miss something or someone in this moment and to me that makes their escape from the island feel somewhat hollow.
There’s two caveats to this of course:
Firstly, maybe they never actually made it back to civilisation after take off which is even more depressing.
Secondly, I’ve heard people say that this is just Jacks version of them meeting up and going together. That everyone has their own one when they move on and if this is true it alleviates the above point but then it means Jack hasn’t spent his final moments with anyone other than his memories which is also sad.
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For those of you who dislike the later seasons
Why? I just finished a rewatch, and as much as I love the character development and vibes of Seasons 1-2, I began to get slightly* bored in Season 3, but once the pace picked up and then the freighter/flash forwards/time travel stuff began, I was hooked again. I’ve seen some of you on here say that Seasons 4, 5, & 6 are where the show gets “bad” or declines, but honestly I just don’t see it. I feel like they compliment the first half of the show perfectly. So i’m curious, if you’re someone who dislikes the second half of the show, how come? And what do you wish they would have done differently?
One thing I wish is that they would have brought Walt back. I understand writing him out due to aging but once they skipped ahead they easily could have brought him back and I don’t get why they didn’t, especially after how much he was built up as being special in the first season.
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Why? I just finished a rewatch, and as much as I love the character development and vibes of Seasons 1-2, I began to get slightly* bored in Season 3, but once the pace picked up and then the freighter/flash forwards/time travel stuff began, I was hooked again. I’ve seen some of you on here say that Seasons 4, 5, & 6 are where the show gets “bad” or declines, but honestly I just don’t see it. I feel like they compliment the first half of the show perfectly. So i’m curious, if you’re someone who dislikes the second half of the show, how come? And what do you wish they would have done differently?
One thing I wish is that they would have brought Walt back. I understand writing him out due to aging but once they skipped ahead they easily could have brought him back and I don’t get why they didn’t, especially after how much he was built up as being special in the first season.
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New podcast dives deep into The Legacy of Lost
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1.15 The Legacy of Lost
The Legacy Cinema Club · Episode
Juliet(first time watchers, stay away!)
So, I’m rewatching Lost for the first time in a while (and relistening to Down the Hatch as I go!).
I’m in season 3 and I do remember intensely disliking Juliet when I watched this “live” back in the day. I didn’t like Elizabeth Mitchell, I didn’t like Juliet, I found her grating and insufferable. The love triangle on top of the already tired triangle was boring.
Then LaFleur happens…and in the course of 42 minutes, I fall for Juliet and Suliet hook, line, and sinker. The way I cried when we lost our girl to The Incident…
So now, on the rewatch, I can’t even understand why I didn’t like EM. I can no longer untangle early Juliet from who she becomes.
I’m a person who largely loved the finale on many levels, but frankly, all I needed was Suliet flashing and remembering. I was done. Who cares about unanswered questions—James and Juliet forever 💟
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So, I’m rewatching Lost for the first time in a while (and relistening to Down the Hatch as I go!).
I’m in season 3 and I do remember intensely disliking Juliet when I watched this “live” back in the day. I didn’t like Elizabeth Mitchell, I didn’t like Juliet, I found her grating and insufferable. The love triangle on top of the already tired triangle was boring.
Then LaFleur happens…and in the course of 42 minutes, I fall for Juliet and Suliet hook, line, and sinker. The way I cried when we lost our girl to The Incident…
So now, on the rewatch, I can’t even understand why I didn’t like EM. I can no longer untangle early Juliet from who she becomes.
I’m a person who largely loved the finale on many levels, but frankly, all I needed was Suliet flashing and remembering. I was done. Who cares about unanswered questions—James and Juliet forever 💟
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Beloved character nearly killed everyone and doesn't care at all?
>!S2E3 Hurley/Hugo knows full well the actual numbers to input into the computer, basically lies and says to go ahead and enter 32 as the last number, yet even later when the catastrophic results of not entering the correct code are known, he never once mentions or shows any guilt over basically trying to kill everyone on the island? I get it, he's a lovable guy and as broken as all the rest, and at that time did not know what'd happen since he thinks the numbers are cursed but I wish he cared even a little afterwards. Hell he apologizes for going with Locke's group at the end (water under the bridge) yet he feels ZERO guilt for this? It's so against his character, he often feels responsible for things that aren't even his fault (being cursed, that meteor strike, etc) yet why doesn't he feel bad about what he did in the hatch?!<
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>!S2E3 Hurley/Hugo knows full well the actual numbers to input into the computer, basically lies and says to go ahead and enter 32 as the last number, yet even later when the catastrophic results of not entering the correct code are known, he never once mentions or shows any guilt over basically trying to kill everyone on the island? I get it, he's a lovable guy and as broken as all the rest, and at that time did not know what'd happen since he thinks the numbers are cursed but I wish he cared even a little afterwards. Hell he apologizes for going with Locke's group at the end (water under the bridge) yet he feels ZERO guilt for this? It's so against his character, he often feels responsible for things that aren't even his fault (being cursed, that meteor strike, etc) yet why doesn't he feel bad about what he did in the hatch?!<
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