Pavel Durov arrived from a trip in Azerbaijan and is under arrest in France.
The Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with the forces of law and order and the tools proposed by Telegram (disposable number, crypto, etc.) makes it complicit in drug trafficking, child criminal offences and fraud.
https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-fondateur-et-pdg-de-la-messagerie-cryptee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html
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All large social media apps are easy targets for criticism due to the content they host. I can’t recall any major social platform whose moderation has been consistently praised by traditional media.
The media coverage of Meta's moderation efforts has been…
The media coverage of Meta's moderation efforts has been…
The French prosecutor's office released a list of charges against Pavel Durov:
- Complicity in administering an online platform with the purpose of conducting illegal transactions by an organized group;
- Refusal to provide information or documents requested by authorized bodies necessary for the implementation and use of legally permitted wiretapping;
- Complicity in possessing pornographic images of minors;
- Complicity in distributing, offering, or providing to an organized criminal group, by agreement, pornographic images of minors;
- Complicity in the acquisition, transportation, storage, offering, or transfer of narcotic substances;
- Aiding in the offering, transfer, or provision of equipment, tools, programs, or data developed or adapted for attacks on automated data processing systems without legal justification;
- Complicity in fraud by an organized gang;
- Criminal conspiracy with the intent to commit a serious crime punishable by three years of imprisonment;
- Participation in crimes or offenses as part of an organized gang;
- Provision of cryptographic services that do not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control, aimed at ensuring confidentiality functions without appropriate declaration;
- Supply of cryptographic means that do not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control without prior declaration;
- Importation of a cryptographic device that does not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control without prior declaration.
Custody measures were extended on for 96 hours and may last until August 28, 2024.
- Complicity in administering an online platform with the purpose of conducting illegal transactions by an organized group;
- Refusal to provide information or documents requested by authorized bodies necessary for the implementation and use of legally permitted wiretapping;
- Complicity in possessing pornographic images of minors;
- Complicity in distributing, offering, or providing to an organized criminal group, by agreement, pornographic images of minors;
- Complicity in the acquisition, transportation, storage, offering, or transfer of narcotic substances;
- Aiding in the offering, transfer, or provision of equipment, tools, programs, or data developed or adapted for attacks on automated data processing systems without legal justification;
- Complicity in fraud by an organized gang;
- Criminal conspiracy with the intent to commit a serious crime punishable by three years of imprisonment;
- Participation in crimes or offenses as part of an organized gang;
- Provision of cryptographic services that do not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control, aimed at ensuring confidentiality functions without appropriate declaration;
- Supply of cryptographic means that do not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control without prior declaration;
- Importation of a cryptographic device that does not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control without prior declaration.
Custody measures were extended on for 96 hours and may last until August 28, 2024.
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The French prosecutor's office released a list of charges against Pavel Durov: - Complicity in administering an online platform with the purpose of conducting illegal transactions by an organized group; - Refusal to provide information or documents requested…
*The person charged by 12 crimes is currently unknown (but it seems to be Durov). No formal charges have yet been filed against any identified individuals yet.
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The French prosecutor's office released a list of charges against Pavel Durov: - Complicity in administering an online platform with the purpose of conducting illegal transactions by an organized group; - Refusal to provide information or documents requested…
Some channels are saying that this list of charges are against an "unnamed person" and not against Durov.
But this unnamed person seems to be Durov, because some of the charges could only be committed by someone who runs a communication platform.
Other indication that the charges are against Durov is the fact that the describe crime is "complicity" with a crime and not the crime itself.
But this unnamed person seems to be Durov, because some of the charges could only be committed by someone who runs a communication platform.
For example:
- Complicity in administering an online platform with the purpose of conducting illegal transactions by an organized group;
- Refusal to provide information or documents requested by authorities necessary for the implementation and use of legally permitted wiretapping;
- Provision of cryptographic services that do not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control, aimed at ensuring confidentiality functions without appropriate declaration;
- Supply of cryptographic means that do not solely ensure the functions of authentication or integrity control without prior declaration;
Other indication that the charges are against Durov is the fact that the describe crime is "complicity" with a crime and not the crime itself.
Durov is also subject to a criminal complaint in Switzerland
The Telegram founder is facing a lawsuit in Switzerland from Irina Bolgar filed in March 2023, who claims he is the father of her three children.
She also claim he used force against his youngest son 5 times between 2021|2022, stopped seeing their children in September 2022 and “blocked” access to the 150,000-euro child support payments around the same time.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2024/08/28/billionaire-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-criminal-complaint-switzerland/
The Telegram founder is facing a lawsuit in Switzerland from Irina Bolgar filed in March 2023, who claims he is the father of her three children.
She also claim he used force against his youngest son 5 times between 2021|2022, stopped seeing their children in September 2022 and “blocked” access to the 150,000-euro child support payments around the same time.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2024/08/28/billionaire-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-criminal-complaint-switzerland/
French Tribunal determined that Pavel Durov:
- Is prohibited to leave the French territory
- Provide a deposit of 5 million euros
- Report to the police station twice a week
He also was indicted for 6 offenses:
• Conspiracy to manage an online platform used for illegal transactions as part of an organized group;
• Refusal to provide information or documents requested by authorized bodies necessary for lawful wiretapping;
• Complicity in crimes by allowing Telegram access to users involved in distributing child pornography, trafficking drugs, fraud, and other criminal activities;
• Money laundering resulting from crimes or offenses as part of an organized group;
• Providing cryptographic services without proper declaration;
• Importing cryptographic tools to ensure confidentiality without prior declaration.
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Durov is prohibited from leaving France.
What do you think he should do?
What do you think he should do?
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Stay in France 🇫🇷 and try to prove innocence
46%
Escape to the United Arab Emirates 🇦🇪 as refugee and seek political asylum
5%
Other (say in comments 💬 )
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Musk's X blocked in Brazil
BRASILIA — A block on Elon Musk's X.com in Brazil started to take effect early on Saturday after a Supreme Court judge ordered its suspension, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).
The judge also ordered:
- account blocking from influencer, elected senators and others users for political reasons,
- arrest of brazilian's X employees if the company from USA did not block those accounts,
- blocking of SpaceX bank accounts to pay for X (Twitter) fines,
- blocking of VPNs in the country,
- R$ 50,000 fine for each Brazilian using VPN to access X.
All this in a secret investigation with illegal bases that has been going without public legal process for almost 2,000 days.
https://www.manilatimes.net/2024/09/01/world/americas-emea/musks-x-blocked-in-brazil/1968131
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Why is this ilegal:
1) In Brazil, the object an investigation must not be undefined, it must indicating the specific fact to be investigated. "All fake news against court" is not a specific fact for an investigation.
2) The appointment of Alexandre de Moraes as responsible minister was not random and violates the requirement of distribution. - Art. 66, Internal Regulations of the STF: “The distribution will be made by lottery or prevention, through a computerized system, activated automatically, in each class of process.”
3) The STF has no jurisdiction over the case. The federal police and the first instance federal court are the ones responsible for investigating fake news on the internet. The article 43 of the Internal Regulations of the STF is only related to crimes that happened inside STF's building and not on the Internet .
4) The opening of an investigation by Judiciary itself violates the accusatory system adopted by the Brazilian Constitution. - Art. 129, I "exclusive responsibility of the Public Prosecutor's Office to promote public criminal action".
5) The investigation violates freedom of speech
Freedom of speech is not an absolute right in Brazil. But STF is treating "criticisms against the judges" as if they were "fake news" and "crimes against the democratic rule of law".
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#VotoDemocráticoAuditável. (Source)Why is this ilegal: Under Brazil's legal system, breach of personal data confidentiality cannot happen against countless individuals. Judge must describe for each post which individuals (or accounts) will have their data breached.
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Why is this ilegal:
In Brazil, the judge cannot include an someone as investigated it it's own case, Public Prosecutor's Office is the one who should do it. Brazilian Constitution of 1988, art. 129, I: "exclusive responsibility of the Public Prosecutor's Office to promote public criminal action". (Source)
Also, Moraes did not specified which was the conduct Elon Musk is being investigated of. Although Moraes added Musk as investigated itself, he determined that Federal Police (PF) is the one who should inform which crimes he committed. (Source)
Why is this ilegal:
One person could not be criminally responsible for another person's "crime". Art. 5º XLV of Constitution: The law may not extend beyond the person of the convicted person. (Source)
After the threat of arrest, the lawyer and legal representative of X in Brasil resigned to avoid being arrested. (Source)
X considered this order "political persecution" against the Brazilian senator and did not proceeded the blocking.
Why is this ilegal:
One person could not be criminally responsible for another person's "crime". Art. 5º XLV of Constitution: The law may not extend beyond the person of the convicted person. (Source)
Why is this illegal: In Brazil, foreign citizens must receive judicial notifications through rogatory letters, and not by electronic means. X's suspension is ilegal because notification via Twitter is considered null. (Source)
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Why is this illegal:
SpaceX and X are different companies from different economic groups with different owners. Elon Musk itself only owns 40% of SpaceX. SpaceX is receiving the punishments of another different company. (Source)
It is also ilegal to issue an order in secret without giving the company right to speak, called in Brazil "adversarial principle". (Source)
Why is this illegal:
Only the law can create obligations for all inhabitants of the country. The application of a fine or any sanction by a judge may only occur after ensuring the contradictory and full defense – never in a prior and summary manner. (Source)
Also, VPN companies could not be blocked without being even notified to express themselves in court, called in Brazil "adversarial principle". (Source)
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Yesterday Techcrunch and CoinDesk published that:
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Titles of the articles are false!
Since a long time Telegram has allowed users to report message content in private groups. It also already allowed users to report accounts that contact them in private (and secret) chats.
This wasn't a change that happen after Durov's arrest.
The article also points that: "Telegram has quietly updated its policy". This is also wrong, there has been no update in Privacy Policy since Durov's arrest.
Update happened only in the FAQ. It is now clearer about how Telegram has always handle reports in chats.
"Telegram quietly enables users to report private chats to moderators after founder’s arrest"
and
"Telegram Revamps Rules to Allow Moderation of Private Chats Following CEO Pavel Durov's Arrest"
Titles of the articles are false!
Since a long time Telegram has allowed users to report message content in private groups. It also already allowed users to report accounts that contact them in private (and secret) chats.
This wasn't a change that happen after Durov's arrest.
The article also points that: "Telegram has quietly updated its policy". This is also wrong, there has been no update in Privacy Policy since Durov's arrest.
Update happened only in the FAQ. It is now clearer about how Telegram has always handle reports in chats.
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Yesterday Techcrunch and CoinDesk published that: "Telegram quietly enables users to report private chats to moderators after founder’s arrest" and "Telegram Revamps Rules to Allow Moderation of Private Chats Following CEO Pavel Durov's Arrest" Titles of…
Telegram official account on Twitter confirmed this information:
You could always report messages from any group to moderators, acts like forwarding. Private chats are still private too – although you could always report a new incoming chat to moderators by using Block > Report. Anyone can check our code and see there were no changes. The FAQ change made it clearer how to report things, including via DSA."
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Telegram is a crypto company
Telegram Group booked $342.5 million of revenue last year on a hefty operating loss of $108 million
Telegram “integrated wallet” and “sale of collectibles” make up over 40% of Telegram’s revenues.
(Unfortunately stealing people's usernames in 2022 and reselling them in 2023 was profitable)
Telegram Group booked $342.5 million of revenue last year on a hefty operating loss of $108 million
Telegram “integrated wallet” and “sale of collectibles” make up over 40% of Telegram’s revenues.
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Telegram ya prometía compartir la IP y número de teléfono hace años 🤷♂️
Nos encontramos nuevamente #desmintiendo otra noticia falsa que se ha estado difundiendo en varios medios de comunicación, incluyendo periódicos y otros canales de la app. Estos, afirman que "Durov, CEO de Telegram, dice que la app proporcionará más datos a los gobiernos" (Bloomberg) o que "Telegram facilitará más datos a los gobiernos, incluidas las direcciones IP y los números de teléfono de los usuarios" (Disclose.tv).
Es de mi agrado informarles que esto es completamente falso, y que Pavel Durov únicamente aclara y recuerda en su comunicado que están comprometidos a hacerlo, no que "van a empezar a hacerlo" o que es nuevo que estén dispuestos a compartir estos datos. Literalmente, el CEO de Telegram dice en su mensaje para referirse a dichos datos «Hemos dejado claro que las direcciones IP y los números de teléfono de aquellos que infrinjan nuestras normas pueden ser revelados a las autoridades pertinentes en respuesta a solicitudes legales válidas», que es lo mismo que dice en la Política de privacidad hace años, y quiero hacer énfasis cuando dice "Hemos dejado claro" que no es lo mismo que decir "es nuevo" o "comenzaremos", pues esto es lo que se viene haciendo hace años y está documentado en el numeral 8.3 de la Política de privacidad de Telegram.
🧐 Si somos curiosos, veremos en la famosa web Wayback Machine (de Internet Archive) —que permite ver versiones anteriores de páginas web— que el párrafo de la sección 8.3 siempre ha estado ahí hace años y no es nada nuevo.
📰 Para finalizar, el numeral 8.3 (agosto, 2018), titulado Autoridades policiales que se refiere a los datos que Telegram puede compartir a las autoridades dice:
📰 Y lo que tenemos en este momento, dice:
🤷♂️ Teniendo ligeros cambios, pero los datos que se comparten a las autoridades siguen siendo los mismos: IP y número de teléfono. Y esto no ha cambiado hasta ahora, contrario a lo que dicen otros medios asegurando que se compartirán "más datos", lo que no corresponde a la realidad.
📰 Informa, aclara y desmiente: @Universo_Telegram
Nos encontramos nuevamente #desmintiendo otra noticia falsa que se ha estado difundiendo en varios medios de comunicación, incluyendo periódicos y otros canales de la app. Estos, afirman que "Durov, CEO de Telegram, dice que la app proporcionará más datos a los gobiernos" (Bloomberg) o que "Telegram facilitará más datos a los gobiernos, incluidas las direcciones IP y los números de teléfono de los usuarios" (Disclose.tv).
Es de mi agrado informarles que esto es completamente falso, y que Pavel Durov únicamente aclara y recuerda en su comunicado que están comprometidos a hacerlo, no que "van a empezar a hacerlo" o que es nuevo que estén dispuestos a compartir estos datos. Literalmente, el CEO de Telegram dice en su mensaje para referirse a dichos datos «Hemos dejado claro que las direcciones IP y los números de teléfono de aquellos que infrinjan nuestras normas pueden ser revelados a las autoridades pertinentes en respuesta a solicitudes legales válidas», que es lo mismo que dice en la Política de privacidad hace años, y quiero hacer énfasis cuando dice "Hemos dejado claro" que no es lo mismo que decir "es nuevo" o "comenzaremos", pues esto es lo que se viene haciendo hace años y está documentado en el numeral 8.3 de la Política de privacidad de Telegram.
Si Telegram recibe una orden judicial que confirme que eres sospechoso de terrorismo, podemos revelar tu dirección IP y número de teléfono a las autoridades pertinentes. Hasta ahora, esto no ha ocurrido nunca. Cuando ocurra, lo incluiremos en un informe de transparencia semestral publicado en: https://news.1rj.ru/str/transparency.
Si Telegram recibe una orden válida de las autoridades judiciales pertinentes que confirme que eres sospechoso en un caso relacionado con actividades criminales que violen los Términos de Servicio de Telegram, realizaremos un análisis legal de la solicitud y podremos revelar tu dirección IP y número de teléfono a las autoridades pertinentes. Si se comparte algún dato, incluiremos tales sucesos en un informe trimestral de transparencia publicado en: https://news.1rj.ru/str/transparency.
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Pavel Durov
The @transparency reports of last years claimed that there was no data disclosure. In reality, Telegram sent IP addresses and phone numbers of hundreds of users to government authorities without updating @transparency reports.
Basically Durov admitted that Telegram was tricking users into thinking that Telegram wasn't disclosuring IP and phone data to authorities.
Basically Durov admitted that Telegram was tricking users into thinking that Telegram wasn't disclosuring IP and phone data to authorities.
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