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It's time that human rights for those who don't respect human rights get listed and the death sentence get discussed not like a tabu or with bullshit! @WomenRightsTelegram @GenRevolutionOfficial @RapeTelegram @EuthanasiaTelegram
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It's time to reimplement the death sentence worldwide - Utøya massacre example - part 4

Part 1: https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/341

Jeg ble fortalt at han ikke ville slippe ut igjen, at noe ville bli funnet etter 21 år for å holde ham innesperret i 21 år til. Men hvordan kan jeg være sikker på det? sier Erdogan til avisa.

I was told that he would not be released again, that something would be found after 21 years to keep him locked up for another 21 years. But how can I be sure? says Erdogan to the newspaper https://perma.cc/BW4N-FLGE

Hva mener folk her på r/norge om dødsstraff? https://perma.cc/GLF4-VXVE

Det fungerer veldig dårlig som straff (pang, ferdig, mørkt vs 20 års refleksjon og anger) = bang, done, dark vs 20 years of reflection and regret —> this is BULLSHIT
Like we wrote here https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/403 execution doesn't happen immediately. You can see some examples here
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/268

Doing an execution after 35 years for example would allow to remove a death sentence, avoid prison costs for other 35 years ... etc. REMEMBER THAT PRISONERS ARE HUGE EXPENSIVE!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/611

Er imot dødsstraff jeg. Klart forstår jeg at ikke alle kan bli rehabilitert, men 21 år er mye med tid til å tenke og reflektere
= but 21 years is a lot of time to think and reflect.
You maybe need to investigate about this cannibalism raper ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/RapeTelegram/864
https://news.1rj.ru/str/RapeTelegram/865

Enkelte argumener nevnes alltid når man diskuterer dødsstraff: det er dyrt å ha dødsstraff, dødsstraff virker ikke forebyggende mot kriminalitet, uskyldige mennesker blir dømt til dødsstraff (I USA har 144 personer blitt frifunnet etter å ha blitt dømt til døden siden 1973), det straffer også familiene til gjerningspersonen osv.
—> about various negative bullshit promoted by many you can see answer here
https://news.1rj.ru/str/LawsTelegram/4
https://news.1rj.ru/str/LawsTelegram/5

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It's time to reimplement the death sentence worldwide - Utøya massacre example - part 5

Part 1: https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/341

Men jeg synes nesten det skumleste er hvor utydelige grensene er når det kommer til hvem som får dødsstraff og hvem som ikke gjør det https://perma.cc/GLF4-VXVE
= But I think the scariest thing is how unclear the boundaries are when it comes to who gets the death penalty and who doesn't.

Yes, this is the main problem! but even not a reason to remove that at all. There are still cases where we know exactly such things ... Again, death sentences should be done with brain and facts, not shit and personal interests
https://news.1rj.ru/str/WomenRightsTelegram/504
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/509
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/201

Remember that a lot of misinformation is spread from Amnesty using bullshit stats
https://news.1rj.ru/str/WomenRightsTelegram/340
& using studies financed by people that are fighting the death sentence!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/259
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/460

Keep in mind what we wrote previously: we agree to NOT KILL A TERRORIST!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/218
https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/288

& that a death sentence for example could maybe not reduce criminality, BUT WE HAVE NO RECIDIVISM PROBLEM ANYMORE!

Plus remember that homicide is not homicide, like we wrote here (see bottom)
https://news.1rj.ru/str/RapeTelegram/709
so it's time to make a clear distinction ..

Grusomme handlinger fortjener straff, men i det norske straffesystemet skal innsatte også rehabiliteres og hjelpes tilbake til samfunnet så godt det lar seg gjøre https://perma.cc/BR93-MJJ2

= Cruel acts deserve punishment, but in the Norwegian penal system inmates must also be rehabilitated and helped back into society as best as possible.
—> remember that Norway spend tons of money, what other countries are not able to do that!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/124
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/126

and not always rehabilitation can help ... so again, depends from case to case

Related:
https://news.1rj.ru/str/WomenRightsTelegram/337
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👨‍⚖️👨‍⚖️Criminal Justice Court👨‍⚖️👨‍⚖️

Yes to assisted / passive and active suicide! it's an human right!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/EuthanasiaTelegram

But NO, to assisted suicide for criminals!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/DefenceTelegram/152

and no to prisoners that think a death sentence is a vip ticket to assisted suicide!

So executions of death sentences SHOULD not happen after few years
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/522
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/403
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What a brainwash looks like: 😈

to request parole and appeal a rejection, to request a parole again ...

Etter at dommen falt tirsdag opplyser advokaten at han sammen med Breivik er i ferd med å forberede et nytt søksmål mot staten om soningsforholdene.

After the verdict was handed down on Tuesday, the lawyer states that he, together with Breivik, is in the process of preparing a new lawsuit against the state regarding the conditions of the sentence.

– Parallelt med ankesaken vil vi jobbe med et eget søksmål om soningsforholdene. Breivik soner i dag under veldig statiske forhold med isolasjonspreg, og derfor vil vi prøve dette spørsmålet for retten på nytt, sier Øystein Storrvik til NTB.

- In parallel with the appeal case, we will work on a separate lawsuit about the sentencing conditions. Breivik is currently serving time under very static conditions with a touch of isolation, and therefore we will try this question before the court again, says Øystein Storrvik to NTB.

Storrvik anførte i sin prosedyre at soningsforholdene gjør det vanskelig for retten å ta stilling til om Breivik har vist seg tilliten verdig til å få en prøveløslatelse. Han advarte mot at soningsforholdene vil kunne gjøre Breivik farligere på en måte som gjør at det aldri blir mulig å løslate ham.

Storrvik stated in his procedure that the conditions of the sentence make it difficult for the court to decide whether Breivik has proven worthy of the trust to be granted parole. He warned that the terms of his sentence could make Breivik more dangerous in a way that would make it never possible to release him.

In front of open cameras and with the press present, Breivik explained that he was not responsible for the terrorist attack, but that he was brainwashed, when the case was dealt with in court.

https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/459
https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/469
https://perma.cc/C85F-WZPM

It's time to stop all such ridiculous laws available in various countries, where prisoners could get released in 2 seconds ...!
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The reality? Anders Behring Breivik is having a better life than many people worldwide! without water, electricity, house, food, etc.

Yes, he lives better than 🇵🇸 in Gaza! even after doing a massacre ... the same happens in Switzerland ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/610

Just think about that, since our governments look for example suicide as a devil thing, but they give a shit to all homeless people in their countries ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/WomenRightsTelegram/389
https://news.1rj.ru/str/FrenchTelegramFreaks/1562

Never forget that prisons in Norway are 1000x better than in other countries ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/126

If this is not a motivation to commit massacres ...

You get "a life in luxus", without need to work, you get all what you need, you know you will not get any type of death sentence at all, since we 🇪🇺 are so idiots removing such things ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/LawsTelegram/34
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit

When our laws are a motivation to do terrorism! So Amnesty @AmnestyBullshit, if we really watch facts, death sentence is not a vip ticket for suicide

The best? He accused Norway for violating human rights! https://perma.cc/5L74-WBBJ

«Han lever i en treroms suite med et vindu, og der har han en tredemølle, et kjøleskap, en DVD-spiller, en Sony Playstation og et skrivebord med en skrivemaskin», skriver den amerikanske avisen, og fortsetter med å liste opp hva Brevik har tilgang til og kan gjøre fra cellen.

"He lives in a three-room suite with a window, and there he has a treadmill, a refrigerator, a DVD player, a Sony Playstation and a desk with a typewriter," writes the American newspaper, and continues to list what Brevik have access to and can do from the cell.
https://perma.cc/2CAQ-2XKR
https://perma.cc/88DP-NPDL

Selv har Anders Behring Breivik altså sittet i isolasjon siden han tok livet av 77 mennesker i Oslo sentrum og på Utøya 22. juli 2011.

Anders Behring Breivik himself has therefore been in solitary confinement since he killed 77 people in the center of Oslo and on Utøya https://perma.cc/A7M7-6LUJ
Vi må love oss selv at vi aldri skal glemme - We must promise ourselves that we will never forget

Our main requests in summary to improve criminality, safety, dignity once at all
https://news.1rj.ru/str/LawsTelegram/43

🙅‍♂️💩 @ShittyLaws 🤜 @BetterLawsNOW

Backup request: https://news.1rj.ru/str/s/LawsTelegramPreview/36 https://perma.cc/UM8X-DHBW

Last post https://perma.cc/U5JN-PX76 First post https://perma.cc/EN26-QDPF
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Recidivism - "Trash people" need to be recovered? Part 1

Well, let we comment this topic.

Here we go again on the same EXACT PROBLEM! PEOPLE CONSIDER SAME CRIME CATEGORY AS SAME CRIME!

Again, like there is no just one type of suicide, there is no just one type of homicide too!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/403
https://news.1rj.ru/str/LawsTelegram/29

Would be time that people understand such concept.

Is not just about drug, rape, homicide, femicide, steal, etc.

There ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RAPE! with different deeps! and different types of homicides, without considering that different crimes can be mixed =
stealing + homicide + raping + human body traffic or whatever ... every single thing done is a crime, which make the total crime much worse!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/LawsTelegram/20
https://news.1rj.ru/str/RapeTelegram/934
https://news.1rj.ru/str/RapeTelegram/731

So again, killing people because someone hate Islam or killing people because someone hate the mother or the girlfriend is HUGE DIFFERENT, and obviously your rehabilitation in the second type is much faster! Why should he kill someone again. He already killed the right person ...

About recidivism: well you can find some scientific stats here
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/391
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/351

but again it depends from a lot of factors like
a) the prison! and who works in such prison! and who are the other prisoners too. Every prison is a new condition!
b) how long need he remains in prison
c) which crimes? the reason behind that? etc.
d) is there a rehabilitation in the prison? Is there a job opportunity after prison? Are there friends or family after prison? ...
e) how is the general lifestyle in such country?
f) which country? not all countries can spend the same amount of money for prisoners!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/124
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/611
g) ..
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Recidivism - "Trash people" need to be recovered? Part 2

Part 1https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/822

So there are TONS OF FACTORS.

No matter what, there are always cases and cases!
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/515

and some cases cannot be recovered at all
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/526
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/527
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/530
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/143
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/455
https://news.1rj.ru/str/AmnestyBullshit/456

where the only solution is a death sentence or a lifetime sentence!

Racist people can always be racists after release, like rapers can be rapers or cannibal can be cannibal, if the rape is not a consequence of anatomy changes ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/422

Remember that there are always two side about human rights:
https://news.1rj.ru/str/WomenRightsTelegram/593
https://news.1rj.ru/str/DefenceTelegram/413

Conclusion: the answer is huge complex and depends from a lot of factors! Plus remember that stats are not stats! exactly like stats showing fact wages ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/FinanceFactsTelegram/566
Recidivism Norway P1

Again, don't believe every shit you hear, especially if not analysed from various point of views ...

Høyt tilbakefall i noen grupper
Tilbakefallet hos de innsatte vi frykter mest, er langt høyere enn 20 prosent.

Av menn som er dømt for vold og som tidligere har sonet fengselsstraff, vil mer enn 60 prosent være tilbake i fengsel i løpet av bare to år etter løslatelse.

High relapse rate in some groups
The recidivism rate among the inmates we fear the most is far higher than 20 per cent.

Of men who have been convicted of violence and who have previously served a prison sentence, more than 60 percent will be back in prison within just two years of release.

Tyverier og narkotikaforbrytelser er også i toppen av tilbakefallslista. Men voldtektsforbrytere er ikke blant de statistiske gjengangerne her.

Theft and drug crimes are also at the top of the recidivism list. But rape offenders are not among the statistical regulars here.

Det er egentlig ikke så overraskende. Statistikken tar bare for seg de første to årene etter løslatelse, og sedelighetsforbryterne har generelt en lengre frekvens mellom sine lovbrudd. I tillegg er det mange slike forbrytelser som aldri blir anmeldt eller oppklart. Mørketallene er nok store her, forklarer Kristoffersen.

It's not really that surprising. The statistics only consider the first two years after release, and the offenders generally have a longer frequency between their offences. In addition, there are many such crimes that are never reported or solved. The dark figures are probably large here, explains Kristoffersen.

Det er mange gjengangere i norske fengsler med høy tilbakefallsrisiko - helt opp mot 75 prosent. Risikoen for gjentakelse hos disse gruppene er ikke noe mindre i Norge enn i andre nordiske land, presiserer Kristoffersen.

There are many repeat offenders in Norwegian prisons with a high risk of recidivism - up to 75 per cent. The risk of recurrence among these groups is no less in Norway than in other Nordic countries, Kristoffersen clarifies.
Recidivism Norway Part 2

Part 1 https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/620

Like we said, there are huge difference in stats and depends from various factors ...
https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/617
https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/618

Norge fikk internasjonal oppmerksomhet for sine lave 20 prosent, mot resten av de nordiske landene som hadde en tilbakefallsprosent pa mellom 24 og 31. Det norske resultatet ble senere kritisert for a være misvisende, ettersom tallet kun viser den totale andelen tilbakefall, og ikke tar høyde for straffereaksjoner i de ulike landene, samt utsatte grupper.

Norway received international attention for its low 20 percent, vs the rest of the Nordic countries which had a recidivism rate of between 24 and 31. That the Norwegian result was later criticized for being misleading, as the figure only shows the total the proportion of recidivism, and does not take account of punitive measures in the various countries, as well as victims groups.

I Norge dømmes flere førstegangsforbrytere enn i resten av Norden, og denne gruppen har lavere risiko for tilbakefall til fengsel enn andre (Husøy & Præsttun, 2012). Det kan for eksempel være mennesker som har kjørt for fort, og ikke er tilbøyelige for a bega flere lovbrudd i fremtiden. Andre grupper i Norge har en tilbakefallsprosent pa opptil 75 (Husøy & Præsttun, 2012).

In Norway, more first-time offenders are sentenced than in the rest of the Nordic region, and this one the group has a lower risk of returning to prison than others (Husøy & Præsttun, 2012). The
can, for example, be people who have driven too fast, and are not inclined to commit more offenses in the future. Other groups in Norway have a relapse rate of up to 75 (Husøy & Prästtun, 2012)
Recidivism Norway Part 3

Part 1 https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/620

Sverige og Finland har ifølge statistikken ti prosent høyere tilbakefall enn oss. Men de har også en annen sammensetning av innsatte i sine fengsler, forteller han.

According to the statistics, Sweden and Finland have a ten percent higher relapse rate than us. But they also have a different composition of inmates in their prisons, he says https://perma.cc/A83J-LQ6P

Related https://news.1rj.ru/str/PrisonFacts/116

Tilbakefallet, målt som ny påbegynt fengselsdom i anstalt for et lovbrudd begått innen to år etter løslatelse, utgjorde 20 prosent i 2015, 21 prosent i 2016 og 15 prosent i 2017.

Recidivism, measured as a newly started prison sentence in a detention center for an offense committed within two years of release, amounted to 20 per cent in 2015, 21 per cent in 2016 and 15 per cent in 2017.

Blant alle løslatte siden 2015 som har hatt minst fem år på seg til å begå ny kriminalitet, ligger tilbakefallet på 32 prosent, fordelt på 44 prosent hos løslatte fra høy sikkerhet og 23 prosent for løslatte fra lavere sikkerhet.

Among all those released since 2015 who have had at least five years to commit a new crime, the recidivism rate is 32 per cent, divided into 44 per cent for those released from high security and 23 per cent for those released from lower security.

Tilbakefall som medførte dom som ikke avsones i fengsel er ikke medregnet i målingen. Dersom disse hadde vært medregnet, ville antallet med tilbakefall økt med ca. 18 prosent.

Recidivism that resulted in a sentence that is not served in prison is not included in the measurement. If these had been included, the number of relapses would have increased by approx. 18 percent https://perma.cc/Z2LF-3VWK
Recidivism Norway Part 4

Part 1 https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/620

Tallene i vår undersøkelse varierer mellom 10 og 55 prosent, avhengig av hvordan gjengangerne blant lovbryterne er gruppert og analysert.

The figures in our survey vary between 10 and 55 per cent, depending on how the repeat offenders are grouped and analysed.

Andelen som begår kriminalitet på ny er høyest i gruppen som er løslatt fra fengsel, sammenlignet med gruppene som er siktet eller dømt for begåtte forbrytelser.

The proportion who commit crimes again is highest in the group that has been released from prison, compared to the groups that have been charged or convicted of committed crimes.

Hvis vi sammenligner resultatene på tvers av både utvalg, mål og observasjonsperiode, er det tydelig at det ikke finnes noe enkelt svar på hvor stort tilbakefallet er i Norge. Sammenligner vi på tvers av utvalg og tid, men med samme mål på tilbakefall, kan resultatene variere mellom 29 og 55 prosent for ny siktelse, 17 og 42 prosent for en ny dom, og 10 og 33 prosent for gjeninnsettelser i fengsel.

If we compare the results across both sample, target and observation period, it is clear that there is no simple answer to how big the recidivism is in Norway. If we compare across samples and time, but with the same measure of recidivism, the results can vary between 29 and 55 per cent for a new charge, 17 and 42 per cent for a new sentence, and 10 and 33 per cent for reinstatement in prison.

Sammenligner vi resultatene på tvers av utvalg og mål, men med samme observasjonstid, varierer andelen som har begått ny kriminalitet, mellom 10 og 34 prosent etter ett år og 21 og 55 etter fire. Sammenligner vi til slutt resultatene på tvers av tid og mål, men ikke utvalg, varierer andelen med tilbakefall mellom 10 og 49 prosent for siktede, 13 og 53 prosent for dømte og 20 og 55 prosent for løslatte.
Recidivism Norway Part 5

Part 1 https://news.1rj.ru/str/TerrorismTelegram/620

If we compare the results across samples and targets, but with the same observation period, the proportion who have committed a new crime varies between 10 and 34 per cent after one year and 21 and 55 after four. Finally, if we compare the results across time and targets, but not samples, the proportion with recidivism varies between 10 and 49 per cent for accused persons, 13 and 53 per cent for convicted persons and 20 and 55 per cent for released persons.

Samlet sett innebærer dette at tilbakefallet til kriminalitet i Norge – slik det er målt her – varierer mellom 10 og 55 prosent avhengig av hvordan vi definerer utvalg, mål og oppfølgingsperiodens varighet.

Overall, this means that the rate of recidivism in Norway - as measured here - varies between 10 and 55 per cent, depending on how we define the sample, the target and the duration of the follow-up period https://perma.cc/AYN8-FVQY

Rusmiddellovbrudd er imidlertid det mest vanlige forholdet for personer med straffegjennomføring med elektronisk kontroll, og i 2019 var andelen som var dømt for rusmiddellovbrudd, på i overkant av 50 prosent.

Drug offences, however, are the most common case for people with sentences carried out with electronic control, and in 2019 the proportion who were convicted of drug offenses was over 50 per cent.

De som har gjennomført straff i fengsel med høyt sikkerhetsnivå, har vesentlig høyere tilbakefall enn personer som har gjennomført straff på lavere sikkerhetsnivå.

Those who have served sentences in prisons with a high security level have significantly higher recidivism rates than people who have served sentences at a lower security level.

Det kan være ulike årsaker til denne ulikheten. Risiko for tilbakefall henger blant annet sammen med hva slags lovbrudd som er begått, om man er tidligere straffedømt, og hva slags straffegjennomføringsform som benyttes.