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If sawyer hadn't pulled the wires on that bomb the show would have ended there and they wouldn't have died which is what made their deaths so painful. There's no reason to have believed Jack so it makes sense what happened but still so tragic. :((
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If sawyer hadn't pulled the wires on that bomb the show would have ended there and they wouldn't have died which is what made their deaths so painful. There's no reason to have believed Jack so it makes sense what happened but still so tragic. :((
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DO NOT DO THIS TOUR
(longer version of a comment I made on a Reddit thread discussing this)
Okay I have to get this off my chest because I can't take it anymore. I usually try not to shit talk or complain about these types of things, but I am just as angry as I was when this happened, and I feel like I need to share this (or at least get it out of my brain).
So in July, my family went to Hawaii for my parent’s 20th anniversary. My birthday happened to fall on the week that we were there. Because of this, we booked a LOST tour on the website https://losttourshawaii.com/. Take a second to browse the website. I did the North Shore Tour. I was incredibly excited for this, as LOST is my all time favorite show. LOST has been so important to me for years, and I was over the moon to get to visit all the filming locations.
We booked the tour for the day of my birthday. The day before, my brother found this reddit page: https://www.reddit.com/r/lost/comments/1hvb5u0/somewhat_disappointing_lost_tour_in_hawaii/.
My brother mentioned how, according to Reddit, one of the tour guides is creepy and convinced that all the characters in the show are dead and in purgatory.
Let me say one thing– THEY ARE NOT DEAD. It's obvious to anyone who's watched the show, but more on that later.
I was praying that we wouldn't get the crappy tour guide, as the tour was expensive and it was going to be on my birthday.
That morning, my family and I woke up around 6:30 for the 7:30 pickup time– (it was 7 or 7:30, I don't exactly remember). The tour guide picked us up at our hotel.
Now on the website, they showed Hummers going through the forest, and the section mentioning the North Shore Tour mentioned some hiking. What it actually was, was a van, and a lot of driving on the highway. I understand that Honolulu to the North Shore is about an hour drive, but literally most of the tour was driving. No forests or hummers, just a van and highways.
Now for the ‘good’ part. Our tour guide Greg. When we got into the van, my mother mentioned I was a big fan of the show. Greg grilled me over trivia questions to, I guess, try to prove he knew more than me. It was odd. He also, almost immediately, mentioned his theory that everyone on the island is in purgatory.
Now, I'm not someone who holds her opinions to herself, and I told the tour guide I thought he was wrong. That's because he is wrong. The writers said they weren't dead the whole time, multiple actors have said they weren't dead the whole time.
One of the reasons Greg said he thought they were all dead was ‘no one could have survived the plane crash’. Firstly, it's a fantasy/sci-fi tv show, so it's not scientifically accurate. Secondly, not everyone survived the plane crash, MOST of the people on the plane died. Also how did people come and go from the Island to the real world if they were dead? Also, if they were dead, why does everyone actually go into the afterlife in the series finale?? If they were already in the afterlife, how did they go into the afterlife again? A lot of Greg’s theory relies on the idea that the stuff that happens in the show isn't realistic to real life. It's a TV show, a fantasy/sci-fi tv show… of course it's not realistic.
Anyway, he refused to shut up about his theory for the ENTIRE TOUR. We kept trying to get him to stop talking about it, but he kept bringing it up.
He also was creepy to me. Now I was with my father, mother, and brother, which is good because Greg was making me uncomfortable. I am a 19 year old girl. He kept looking at me through the rearview mirror. He also kept saying things to me like, ‘you're such a smart girl’, or ‘you're very intelligent for your age’. CREEPY. Greg also was OBSESSED with Evangeline Lilly. He pulled up a photo of Kate in a swimsuit and showed it to us for way too long. He kept saying how pretty he thought she was in a really strange, creepy way. It reminded me of those celebrity superfans that end up killing their idols. He mentioned a lot of the women in LOST were really pretty and attractive, which creeped me out.
(longer version of a comment I made on a Reddit thread discussing this)
Okay I have to get this off my chest because I can't take it anymore. I usually try not to shit talk or complain about these types of things, but I am just as angry as I was when this happened, and I feel like I need to share this (or at least get it out of my brain).
So in July, my family went to Hawaii for my parent’s 20th anniversary. My birthday happened to fall on the week that we were there. Because of this, we booked a LOST tour on the website https://losttourshawaii.com/. Take a second to browse the website. I did the North Shore Tour. I was incredibly excited for this, as LOST is my all time favorite show. LOST has been so important to me for years, and I was over the moon to get to visit all the filming locations.
We booked the tour for the day of my birthday. The day before, my brother found this reddit page: https://www.reddit.com/r/lost/comments/1hvb5u0/somewhat_disappointing_lost_tour_in_hawaii/.
My brother mentioned how, according to Reddit, one of the tour guides is creepy and convinced that all the characters in the show are dead and in purgatory.
Let me say one thing– THEY ARE NOT DEAD. It's obvious to anyone who's watched the show, but more on that later.
I was praying that we wouldn't get the crappy tour guide, as the tour was expensive and it was going to be on my birthday.
That morning, my family and I woke up around 6:30 for the 7:30 pickup time– (it was 7 or 7:30, I don't exactly remember). The tour guide picked us up at our hotel.
Now on the website, they showed Hummers going through the forest, and the section mentioning the North Shore Tour mentioned some hiking. What it actually was, was a van, and a lot of driving on the highway. I understand that Honolulu to the North Shore is about an hour drive, but literally most of the tour was driving. No forests or hummers, just a van and highways.
Now for the ‘good’ part. Our tour guide Greg. When we got into the van, my mother mentioned I was a big fan of the show. Greg grilled me over trivia questions to, I guess, try to prove he knew more than me. It was odd. He also, almost immediately, mentioned his theory that everyone on the island is in purgatory.
Now, I'm not someone who holds her opinions to herself, and I told the tour guide I thought he was wrong. That's because he is wrong. The writers said they weren't dead the whole time, multiple actors have said they weren't dead the whole time.
One of the reasons Greg said he thought they were all dead was ‘no one could have survived the plane crash’. Firstly, it's a fantasy/sci-fi tv show, so it's not scientifically accurate. Secondly, not everyone survived the plane crash, MOST of the people on the plane died. Also how did people come and go from the Island to the real world if they were dead? Also, if they were dead, why does everyone actually go into the afterlife in the series finale?? If they were already in the afterlife, how did they go into the afterlife again? A lot of Greg’s theory relies on the idea that the stuff that happens in the show isn't realistic to real life. It's a TV show, a fantasy/sci-fi tv show… of course it's not realistic.
Anyway, he refused to shut up about his theory for the ENTIRE TOUR. We kept trying to get him to stop talking about it, but he kept bringing it up.
He also was creepy to me. Now I was with my father, mother, and brother, which is good because Greg was making me uncomfortable. I am a 19 year old girl. He kept looking at me through the rearview mirror. He also kept saying things to me like, ‘you're such a smart girl’, or ‘you're very intelligent for your age’. CREEPY. Greg also was OBSESSED with Evangeline Lilly. He pulled up a photo of Kate in a swimsuit and showed it to us for way too long. He kept saying how pretty he thought she was in a really strange, creepy way. It reminded me of those celebrity superfans that end up killing their idols. He mentioned a lot of the women in LOST were really pretty and attractive, which creeped me out.
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He mentioned Evangeline Lilly so much during the tour.
Greg mentioned to us that he was an extra in LOST– (he showed us pictures of him in the show, but I can’t confirm or deny if he was in the show, as I couldn't find his name anywhere in the credits of LOST, or the full IMDb, or cast list). He claimed that the scene where Desmond sees his coworkers ripped hazmat suit was improvised because they only had one suit, and Greg had ripped the leg with a knife. This is not true. The whole ripped hazmat suit is so integral to the plot for that season, that there is no way that it was randomly improvised. If it was improvised, that means the writers wrote new lines for the actors, the actors memorized those lines while filming, they also came up with the choreography and camera shots all on set? Seriously Greg, we all call bullshit on that.
Greg mentioned that the song ‘You All Everybody’ is a stolen song, and that the writers stole the chorus from an already existing song. That's not true. I watched an interview with the writers where they mentioned that the ‘You All Everybody’ song came from a line a stand-up comedian said during a show, and that they wrote the melody based on that line.
Greg also kept mentioning how awful the cast of LOST was. Now I’m sure that things might have happened on set, and I know not everyone is perfect, but Greg was just telling us over and over about how terrible cast members were, in a way that made it look like everyone in the cast is a bad person. I don't want to repeat what he said about certain actors, only because I couldn't find any evidence of any of those things being true, and I don't want to slander people that, from what I can find, don't deserve it. Greg was an extra in three scenes, and had no lines. He acts like he was super involved in the show, but he was not, I can assure you.
I genuinely can not describe how much of a downer this tour was. Greg seemed to be on a mission to make LOST seem like a crappy sad show, made by mean people. He also kept bringing up politics, a topic I made it clear I didn’t want to talk about. Politics stress me out more than anything else, and all I wanted was to not have a panic attack on my birthday.
I still can't watch LOST anymore. I watched this show religiously for two years, and I genuinely can't watch it anymore. This ruined LOST for me, please don't go on this tour. I still love talking about LOST, if you see my Tumblr or talk to me at all, you can tell I do, but I can't bring myself to watch the show, as Greg made it miserable. He seems intent on being miserable, and warping reality and facts to make everyone around him miserable too. People have mentioned that it seems he’s going through some personal issues, but I, frankly, don’t care. I hated the comments he made about me, especially because I am only 19. I hated how he talked about women in general, especially Evangeline Lilly. I hated how he tried to make the cast members seem like shitty people. I’ve met cast members from LOST, and everyone has been so incredibly lovely and happy and that's what people should hear about, not Greg’s lies.
I think the LOST tour is part of a bigger tour company. Greg seems to be the only person who does the LOST tours, but there are other tours on the website for other movies/shows. I really want to find out who runs this company, as I really, really feel like Greg needs to be reported. I have seen a ton of negative reviews for Greg, a lot of it matching my experience. When you look up ‘LOST Tours’, the second website that comes up is the Reddit talking about how awful Greg is.
Please don't go on this tour, Greg ruined not only my birthday but also one of the things I hold dear to my heart.
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Greg mentioned to us that he was an extra in LOST– (he showed us pictures of him in the show, but I can’t confirm or deny if he was in the show, as I couldn't find his name anywhere in the credits of LOST, or the full IMDb, or cast list). He claimed that the scene where Desmond sees his coworkers ripped hazmat suit was improvised because they only had one suit, and Greg had ripped the leg with a knife. This is not true. The whole ripped hazmat suit is so integral to the plot for that season, that there is no way that it was randomly improvised. If it was improvised, that means the writers wrote new lines for the actors, the actors memorized those lines while filming, they also came up with the choreography and camera shots all on set? Seriously Greg, we all call bullshit on that.
Greg mentioned that the song ‘You All Everybody’ is a stolen song, and that the writers stole the chorus from an already existing song. That's not true. I watched an interview with the writers where they mentioned that the ‘You All Everybody’ song came from a line a stand-up comedian said during a show, and that they wrote the melody based on that line.
Greg also kept mentioning how awful the cast of LOST was. Now I’m sure that things might have happened on set, and I know not everyone is perfect, but Greg was just telling us over and over about how terrible cast members were, in a way that made it look like everyone in the cast is a bad person. I don't want to repeat what he said about certain actors, only because I couldn't find any evidence of any of those things being true, and I don't want to slander people that, from what I can find, don't deserve it. Greg was an extra in three scenes, and had no lines. He acts like he was super involved in the show, but he was not, I can assure you.
I genuinely can not describe how much of a downer this tour was. Greg seemed to be on a mission to make LOST seem like a crappy sad show, made by mean people. He also kept bringing up politics, a topic I made it clear I didn’t want to talk about. Politics stress me out more than anything else, and all I wanted was to not have a panic attack on my birthday.
I still can't watch LOST anymore. I watched this show religiously for two years, and I genuinely can't watch it anymore. This ruined LOST for me, please don't go on this tour. I still love talking about LOST, if you see my Tumblr or talk to me at all, you can tell I do, but I can't bring myself to watch the show, as Greg made it miserable. He seems intent on being miserable, and warping reality and facts to make everyone around him miserable too. People have mentioned that it seems he’s going through some personal issues, but I, frankly, don’t care. I hated the comments he made about me, especially because I am only 19. I hated how he talked about women in general, especially Evangeline Lilly. I hated how he tried to make the cast members seem like shitty people. I’ve met cast members from LOST, and everyone has been so incredibly lovely and happy and that's what people should hear about, not Greg’s lies.
I think the LOST tour is part of a bigger tour company. Greg seems to be the only person who does the LOST tours, but there are other tours on the website for other movies/shows. I really want to find out who runs this company, as I really, really feel like Greg needs to be reported. I have seen a ton of negative reviews for Greg, a lot of it matching my experience. When you look up ‘LOST Tours’, the second website that comes up is the Reddit talking about how awful Greg is.
Please don't go on this tour, Greg ruined not only my birthday but also one of the things I hold dear to my heart.
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What if terry quin played walter in breaking bad
a scene with Terry Quin and Jessie.
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a scene with Terry Quin and Jessie.
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Does Libby matter?
I started watching Lost and I’m almost at the season three finale. I keep thinking about the reveal that Libby was in the same mental institution as Hurley. Does this actually matter? Right now, it just feels like a pointless addition from the writers’ side.
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I started watching Lost and I’m almost at the season three finale. I keep thinking about the reveal that Libby was in the same mental institution as Hurley. Does this actually matter? Right now, it just feels like a pointless addition from the writers’ side.
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Biggest problem with the show - Free Will
I love the show despite it's problems and incosistencies, but I can't get over the fact that time travel and Jacob's omniscience mean that our heroes don't really have a choice in anything they do. It ruins so many arcs, especially Ben's who's apparently been destined to be "evil" since he was a boy, which means he's not so much evil as cursed. His choice to let Alex die wasn't really a choice if it was predetermined and part of Jacob's plan. There's no free will and no real morality to be discussed. And what about someone like Boone who apparently was destined to die?
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I love the show despite it's problems and incosistencies, but I can't get over the fact that time travel and Jacob's omniscience mean that our heroes don't really have a choice in anything they do. It ruins so many arcs, especially Ben's who's apparently been destined to be "evil" since he was a boy, which means he's not so much evil as cursed. His choice to let Alex die wasn't really a choice if it was predetermined and part of Jacob's plan. There's no free will and no real morality to be discussed. And what about someone like Boone who apparently was destined to die?
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Are there any scenes you can think of that would be dated and kids today wouldn't understand?
Just started my 8th watch and the memories of it coming on the tv originally all came back. Seems like yesterday, seems like forever ago.
Any scenes where something back then doesn't exist anymore or kids today would be like what?!
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Just started my 8th watch and the memories of it coming on the tv originally all came back. Seems like yesterday, seems like forever ago.
Any scenes where something back then doesn't exist anymore or kids today would be like what?!
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Help me feel better about the love triangle
Hi spoilers for anyone who hasn’t finished the show - stop reading!
I really wanted Jack to end up with Juliet and Kate and Sawyer to be together in the end. I just think those couples made more sense and had better on screen chemistry. Change my mind so I can be at peace!!
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Hi spoilers for anyone who hasn’t finished the show - stop reading!
I really wanted Jack to end up with Juliet and Kate and Sawyer to be together in the end. I just think those couples made more sense and had better on screen chemistry. Change my mind so I can be at peace!!
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Movie suggestions
I notice a lot of posts asking for similar vibes/tv show suggestions in this sub. But what about movies? What’s your favorite movie if you love Lost? Not really similar and maybe a basic answer but my favorite movie is Interstellar!
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I notice a lot of posts asking for similar vibes/tv show suggestions in this sub. But what about movies? What’s your favorite movie if you love Lost? Not really similar and maybe a basic answer but my favorite movie is Interstellar!
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Why I've never wanted to re-watch any show except Lost?
For some reason I've never wanted to do a re-watch of any TV show. I think it's something about feeling sad when I see the characters I know that will die or something like that, lol. This doesnt apply to me with movies because, you know, they usually don't even reach 2 hours long, but in a TV show you spend quite a lot of time with the characters and really make a deeper connection with them.
Lost was an absolute LIFE EXPERIENCE for me. I've just re-watched the first episode, and holy, this TV show really has left a mark on me. I even felt a bit of anxiety and spent almost the entire watching with goosebumps, lol. Has something similar has happened to someone else?
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For some reason I've never wanted to do a re-watch of any TV show. I think it's something about feeling sad when I see the characters I know that will die or something like that, lol. This doesnt apply to me with movies because, you know, they usually don't even reach 2 hours long, but in a TV show you spend quite a lot of time with the characters and really make a deeper connection with them.
Lost was an absolute LIFE EXPERIENCE for me. I've just re-watched the first episode, and holy, this TV show really has left a mark on me. I even felt a bit of anxiety and spent almost the entire watching with goosebumps, lol. Has something similar has happened to someone else?
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The Cork explanation.
In Ab Aeterno, Jacob explains to Richard that The Island functions as a cork which stops "evil" and "malevolence" from spreading out into the world.
That explanation always seemed a little strange to me, because, well... has Jacob actually stopped and looked at the real world? Evil and malevolance have always been and still are huge parts of it, in every place and in every person.
Of course, at other points in the show, during season 6, it is explained that MIB leaving the island would not just mean that he was going to be a corrupting force, but that he would actually kill everyone alive, and that made much more sense.
My reading of that scene may be a little skewed... But did anyone else have that same impression?
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In Ab Aeterno, Jacob explains to Richard that The Island functions as a cork which stops "evil" and "malevolence" from spreading out into the world.
That explanation always seemed a little strange to me, because, well... has Jacob actually stopped and looked at the real world? Evil and malevolance have always been and still are huge parts of it, in every place and in every person.
Of course, at other points in the show, during season 6, it is explained that MIB leaving the island would not just mean that he was going to be a corrupting force, but that he would actually kill everyone alive, and that made much more sense.
My reading of that scene may be a little skewed... But did anyone else have that same impression?
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Are there any questions about the show that you still haven’t had answered yet? Or anything that still confuses you?
At this point, I think I’ve had all my questions answered but I want to get you guy’s input.
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At this point, I think I’ve had all my questions answered but I want to get you guy’s input.
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Kate 💰💵💵
Hi guys, first time watcher here. I just finished the series and I’ve got a mixed feelings for this show. I find the ending beautiful, the scene in moving on and the ending with Jack’s last sight with Vincent before he passed. He was fortunate to see and feel the ”alternate life”.
However I’ve got this million dollar question, since Kate was one of the recipients of the oceanic settlement, do you think she will get another settlement from the Ajira 316 too? Lol, sorry have to asked this.
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Hi guys, first time watcher here. I just finished the series and I’ve got a mixed feelings for this show. I find the ending beautiful, the scene in moving on and the ending with Jack’s last sight with Vincent before he passed. He was fortunate to see and feel the ”alternate life”.
However I’ve got this million dollar question, since Kate was one of the recipients of the oceanic settlement, do you think she will get another settlement from the Ajira 316 too? Lol, sorry have to asked this.
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Caught up in discussion about the end again
So, I saw a Disney+ Lost add on Facebook and you can guess what was going on in the comments. Exactly people saying the end was the worst ending of a series ever and theories which were nog making sense at all.
I couldn't help myself and intervened.
How do you people constrain yourselves?
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So, I saw a Disney+ Lost add on Facebook and you can guess what was going on in the comments. Exactly people saying the end was the worst ending of a series ever and theories which were nog making sense at all.
I couldn't help myself and intervened.
How do you people constrain yourselves?
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Mib
Anyone else constantly wanted to see mib transform into the smoke so we could see how he does it. Is it easy, hard? Maybe just me, but i would have found that a good scene
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Anyone else constantly wanted to see mib transform into the smoke so we could see how he does it. Is it easy, hard? Maybe just me, but i would have found that a good scene
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Summoning ritual - thoughts?
What's your take on the "smoke summoning ritual" we see Ben perform offscreen in S4, and then again in more detail in S6?
I submit that throughout time, the "black smoke summoning ritual" (either taking place in the temple in the room specifically dedicated to Smoky, or in the little alcove in Dharmaville) was always a method of manipulation used by the smoke monster. It would be an effective tool to manipulate those who seek to ingratiate themselves with him, not to mention the design in Dharmaville is a clear mockery of Jacob's design of the cork apparatus down in the heart of the island. It feels likely to me that the Smoke Monster would not allow himself to be a pet on a leash, summoned at anyone's whim by simply draining the pool. No, I think it was just a way to continue to exploit the minds and desires of the people on the island, just as the chamber below the temple was used by MiB to scan their minds and learn how to exploit their memories and fears while also appearing to them as a deity of sorts.
I feel that if someone did pull that cork, and the Smoke came - like Ben in S4 - it was because the MiB wanted to. He could use that moment to capitalize on a current or future opportunity where the person who pulled the plug was afraid, in need of "divine intervention", etc and would be susceptible to his manipulation. When Smokey comes to take care of the mercenaries, it ends up serving MiB's interests given that Ben ultimately kills Jacob of course. But what if he didn't come? Has Ben or anyone else ever pulled the cork, drained the water and then... nothing?
Obviously Ben believed this ritual worked right away. He doesn't seem to even consider that it might not succeed. But he certainly seems unsettled by the need to use this technique. He keeps it as a final ace in the hole once Widmore "changed the rules" - which raises another question of - when did Ben use this in the past? Obviously he knows what it does in general, yet, it seems clear that there's no way to communicate your specific desire to it, so what if it goes off the rails or misinterprets the situation you present it with? He doesn't seem concerned about that either, other than to advise that everyone run as far away from the mercenaries as possible. Maybe he just knows about it from knowledge handed down from the Widmore/Eloise era, or even earlier? Or maybe it was relayed to him by Richard after the Dharma genocide? I can't imagine Richard would advocate for its use, given his allegiance to Jacob (though we know Richard doesn't seem to know a ton about the mythology of the smoke beyond his own interactions with early in his time on the island).
Obviously whoever built the houses must know about its existence. Did Horace know? Overall - the Dharma folks fear the smoke monster (hence the pylons), and don't seem to be looking for ways to invite him in. The Others seem to have a begrudging neutral-to-negative stance on the smoke, if we're to believe the "security system" concept that we hear Juliet and Ben tell to the survivors - so it would be interesting to know if/when Ben felt compelled to use it in the past, and for what purpose. Did any other Others know this chamber existed?
Do you think the ritual is all, pardon the lousy dad pun here, Smoke and mirrors?
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What's your take on the "smoke summoning ritual" we see Ben perform offscreen in S4, and then again in more detail in S6?
I submit that throughout time, the "black smoke summoning ritual" (either taking place in the temple in the room specifically dedicated to Smoky, or in the little alcove in Dharmaville) was always a method of manipulation used by the smoke monster. It would be an effective tool to manipulate those who seek to ingratiate themselves with him, not to mention the design in Dharmaville is a clear mockery of Jacob's design of the cork apparatus down in the heart of the island. It feels likely to me that the Smoke Monster would not allow himself to be a pet on a leash, summoned at anyone's whim by simply draining the pool. No, I think it was just a way to continue to exploit the minds and desires of the people on the island, just as the chamber below the temple was used by MiB to scan their minds and learn how to exploit their memories and fears while also appearing to them as a deity of sorts.
I feel that if someone did pull that cork, and the Smoke came - like Ben in S4 - it was because the MiB wanted to. He could use that moment to capitalize on a current or future opportunity where the person who pulled the plug was afraid, in need of "divine intervention", etc and would be susceptible to his manipulation. When Smokey comes to take care of the mercenaries, it ends up serving MiB's interests given that Ben ultimately kills Jacob of course. But what if he didn't come? Has Ben or anyone else ever pulled the cork, drained the water and then... nothing?
Obviously Ben believed this ritual worked right away. He doesn't seem to even consider that it might not succeed. But he certainly seems unsettled by the need to use this technique. He keeps it as a final ace in the hole once Widmore "changed the rules" - which raises another question of - when did Ben use this in the past? Obviously he knows what it does in general, yet, it seems clear that there's no way to communicate your specific desire to it, so what if it goes off the rails or misinterprets the situation you present it with? He doesn't seem concerned about that either, other than to advise that everyone run as far away from the mercenaries as possible. Maybe he just knows about it from knowledge handed down from the Widmore/Eloise era, or even earlier? Or maybe it was relayed to him by Richard after the Dharma genocide? I can't imagine Richard would advocate for its use, given his allegiance to Jacob (though we know Richard doesn't seem to know a ton about the mythology of the smoke beyond his own interactions with early in his time on the island).
Obviously whoever built the houses must know about its existence. Did Horace know? Overall - the Dharma folks fear the smoke monster (hence the pylons), and don't seem to be looking for ways to invite him in. The Others seem to have a begrudging neutral-to-negative stance on the smoke, if we're to believe the "security system" concept that we hear Juliet and Ben tell to the survivors - so it would be interesting to know if/when Ben felt compelled to use it in the past, and for what purpose. Did any other Others know this chamber existed?
Do you think the ritual is all, pardon the lousy dad pun here, Smoke and mirrors?
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Still the greatest show ever made.
The noscript says it all. I just finished my (14th? Im losing count) rewatch of the show. Just wanted to post about it quickly. It doesnt matter how many times I've watched this show. It still holds up. I know everyone has their own preferences etc. And thats cool. But for me, this is the greatest show ever made. I watch every episode and even though I know everything that happens i still love every moment of it. What makes it better for me is that at certain times in my life I've watched it and felt so many different things depending on what's happening in my life. Juliet and Sawyer reunion scene was always my favourite however after having kids I watch the Claire reunion scene and it hits me so hard her being reunited with her son. I honestly do not think there will be a show that ever takes its place in my heart. Respond as you want but if you feel like it give me some of your favourite moments/episodes. I can expect many to say The Constant with the phone call between Penny and Desmond. That scene alone to me may be one of the best and most emotional TV scenes I've watched.
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The noscript says it all. I just finished my (14th? Im losing count) rewatch of the show. Just wanted to post about it quickly. It doesnt matter how many times I've watched this show. It still holds up. I know everyone has their own preferences etc. And thats cool. But for me, this is the greatest show ever made. I watch every episode and even though I know everything that happens i still love every moment of it. What makes it better for me is that at certain times in my life I've watched it and felt so many different things depending on what's happening in my life. Juliet and Sawyer reunion scene was always my favourite however after having kids I watch the Claire reunion scene and it hits me so hard her being reunited with her son. I honestly do not think there will be a show that ever takes its place in my heart. Respond as you want but if you feel like it give me some of your favourite moments/episodes. I can expect many to say The Constant with the phone call between Penny and Desmond. That scene alone to me may be one of the best and most emotional TV scenes I've watched.
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